Derek Dalton |
This may be in the wrong section but here goes. Thassilonian Specialist by Raw states all they really lose is access to two schools of magic. Nothing under their description of their school powers. The board seems undivided without an official answer on whether or not they can specialize into a subschool. Read one place where Pazio allowed this for a villain. Me by Raw and the theme of the archtype I say yes.
So I'm asking is their an official ruling on this matter since I couldn't find it anywhere. From what I read it seems divided on the matter without any particular logical reason as to why I couldn't specialize in a subschool.
The second question which I couldn't anywhere is Opposition Research. Opposition Research is essentially a feat that allows a specialist wizard to unlock and learn his opposition schools. Now a normal specialist can still use spells of his prohibited schools. Thassilonian don't. But if they took this feat could they? Would they normally I say no believing in their superior arrogance.
Here's why I ask. I have a Half Orc wizard Shadow mage archtype specializing in Teleportation sub school. He is has taken Bloat mage Intiate as a feat considering taking the Bloatmage archtype. Things are developing where we may meet with a Rune Lord who may allow me to apprentice under him. Now by Raw I can retrain from Shadow Mage into a Thassilonian Specialist. My schools of opposition would change as a result. Oddly enough losing the school of Illusion hurts more then Evocation. Now from what I have read this by what I have read by Raw I can continue to specialize as a Teleportation specialist. Theme wise it even fits since he is a bit lazy and rather use magic to travel then his own power. I can even see a lot of specialists taking the Bloatmage Initiate feat as well.
The first question would be nice to reach a general consensus. Even if it's no I do plan to ask my GM to make an exception. The second question is the important one. It's not a deal breaker but it would give me pause. I can do without Evocation spells without too much fuss. It's the school of illusion I would miss.
LordKailas |
By RAW there is nothing preventing a wizard of any type from selecting the Arcane Discovery Opposition Research. However, just because you can pick it, it doesn't mean it does anything for you. For example, a generalist wizard could take it, but since they don't have any opposition schools it doesn't do anything for them. In the same way a Thassilonian Specialist doesn't have any opposition schools. They have Prohibited Schools, which might be similar but they aren't the same thing.
That being said, I would work with your DM to see if instead of it making a single opposition school a normal school, it turns a prohibited school into an opposition school.
IMO it doesn't really fit with the flavor of the class.
Focusing their research on the discovery that each school of magic was opposed by two specific opposition schools, the runelords developed methods of further enhancing their mastery over their chosen arcane specialties. Essentially, they defined these seven schools as much by what they couldn’t do as by what they could. By excising “impurities” introduced by fixed oppositional schools, they traded arcane versatility for greater strength in their chosen fields.
But if it makes sense to you and your DM then that's all that really matters for purposes of the game you're playing.
When it comes to specializing in a subschool. If there is precedent of being able to do this (as with the aforementioned NPC), then it's probably fine. Examples IMO are strong evidence for what's allowed.
edit: Trying to get an official ruling on anything now that PF2 is out is probably about as effective as shouting into the wind. As piazo's efforts are much more focused on the new system. Your best chance at a semi-official answer is to ask James Jacobs in this mega thread. It should be noted that while he is the creative director for pathfinder, all he'll tell you is how he would handle it in his own personal game. Which may or may not align with the actual rules.