Injector pistol (Armory) vs. needler pistol (COM)

[Xenocrat]

FYI, the Armory line of Injector Pistols are often better than the Needler Pistols introduced in COM. The Injector Pistols' ranges scale from 40-80 (longer than the 70 range on all injector rifles), and their ammo capacity from 10-20 darts (14 on longarm injector rifles). The COM Needler Pistols all have range 40 and ammo 8. The high levels the Needler Pistol variant usually comes in one item level higher and has a bit more damage than the Injector Pistol option just below it, but the range and especially the ammo capacity make that marginal unless you're trying to squeeze every bit of DPR out of your weapon for short, close-range fights.

Note that the 20 round Injector Pistols can take that Armory manufacture upgrade for more ammo capacity to get 24 in a magazine, which is quite nice.

The drow injector pistols from Pact Worlds are entirely obsolete compared to both of these, and the original injector pistol from the CRB has been replaced by a better model in COM.

For longarms the injector options in COM are the only game in town, especially if you want damage. But ironically the best injector pistols beat them on range and ammo.

[Perpdepog]

So I was going to post in this thread originally to try defending the Nightarch needlers because their DC to injections got so high, eventually getting a DC +10.

Low and behold I look up the guns in question and there isn't anything about DCs going that high ... anywhere.

My brain can't handle farts of this magnitude!

[Xenocrat]

It might be a legacy error in Archives of Nethys that has since been corrected, a lot of their weapon table imports had errors. I always remember grenade ranges, but I feel like I might remember something similar with injection critical effects at one point.

[Pogiforce]

So long story short, use the armory injectors?

[Xenocrat]

Pogiforce wrote:

So long story short, use the armory injectors?

Well I'd say use COM longarms if you want max damage, use Armory injectors if you want the pistol aesthetic/single hand use plus the best range and ammo capacity at higher levels.

[VampByDay]

Xenocrat wrote:

Pogiforce wrote:

So long story short, use the armory injectors?

Well I'd say use COM longarms if you want max damage, use Armory injectors if you want the pistol aesthetic/single hand use plus the best range and ammo capacity at higher levels.

Or, if you are a strength biohacker:

GROOVED SHURIKEN!

Man, that's something about the COM I wished they had made, Higher levels of Grooved Shuriken. I want my Ghost killer throwing stars with poison! That work because I use fringe science with my powerful biohacks.

. . . I'm done now.