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Of the spells an elemental sorcerer leaves that takes spell slots, burning hands and fireball are the only two with the * indicating the elemental trait changes.
So a 5th level water elemental sorcerer learns fireball at 5th level, gaining the water trait in place of fire and dealing bludgeoning dmg.
But let’s say I don’t pick fireball as my 3rd level signature spell. I’ve learned the spell and that’s that.
At 7th level when I gain 4th level spells, I could learn fireball again since it’s not a signature spell and it would normally deal fire damage.
And if I pick fireball as my 4th level signature spell, as far as I can tell I can now cast fireball at any 3rd or higher spell slot and I can make it deal either bludgeoning or fire damage as I choose.
Is that intended? Am I correct in my interpretation? What are any potential unintended consequences of doing this?
*Edit: interestingly, the bloodline does not state the new elemental trait replaces the old one, you just add it. So a water elemental sorc who casts fireballs casts it with both the water and fire trait.
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After going back and forth a bit with some folks elsewhere, I think the simplest explanation is probably the right one: the bloodline ability affects spells with an * at all spell levels, regardless of how you acquired the spell at that level. So a water elemental could never learn fireball to deal fire damage.
I'd still like to discuss this ambiguity more, so I'd still love to hear other people's thoughts on the matter.
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I would say the bloodline ability affects the spells named regardless of what level they are cast at. I don't think there's a difference between making it a signature spell and learning it at a different level. Oddly, that does make it so if don't choose fire as your element, you can't deal fire damage until you're 7th level as there aren't any other level 0-3 fire spells.
*Edit: interestingly, the bloodline does not state the new elemental trait replaces the old one, you just add it. So a water elemental sorc who casts fireballs casts it with both the water and fire trait.
Which means that "waterball" can't be cast underwater....
The failure to lose the old trait is probably worth mentioning in the typos/mistakes thread.
*Edit: interestingly, the bloodline does not state the new elemental trait replaces the old one, you just add it. So a water elemental sorc who casts fireballs casts it with both the water and fire trait.Which means that "waterball" can't be cast underwater....
The failure to lose the old trait is probably worth mentioning in the typos/mistakes thread.
hmm, is there a rule that says that?
*Edit: interestingly, the bloodline does not state the new elemental trait replaces the old one, you just add it. So a water elemental sorc who casts fireballs casts it with both the water and fire trait.Which means that "waterball" can't be cast underwater....
The failure to lose the old trait is probably worth mentioning in the typos/mistakes thread.
Can you throw a ball of water through water?
hmm, is there a rule that says that?*Edit: interestingly, the bloodline does not state the new elemental trait replaces the old one, you just add it. So a water elemental sorc who casts fireballs casts it with both the water and fire trait.Which means that "waterball" can't be cast underwater....
The failure to lose the old trait is probably worth mentioning in the typos/mistakes thread.
Yup.
You can't cast fire spells or use actions with the fire trait underwater.
AFAIK "fire spells" means "spells with the fire trait." Since waterball inherits the fire trait from fireball, it's screwed underwater.
Can you throw a ball of water through water?
If that bothers you, contemplate changing fireball to use earth instead. Earthball too should lose the fire trait and work underwater, but RAW doesn't.
Can you throw a ball of water through water?*Edit: interestingly, the bloodline does not state the new elemental trait replaces the old one, you just add it. So a water elemental sorc who casts fireballs casts it with both the water and fire trait.Which means that "waterball" can't be cast underwater....
The failure to lose the old trait is probably worth mentioning in the typos/mistakes thread.
yes, a magical one most definitely.