Does anyone have any ideas about converting loot hauls?
My first instinct is to divide any loot by ten, converting gold pieces to silver pieces. But I suspect it should be reduced even further.
I'm less worried about magic items. I plan to go slow with items anyway.
The wealth by level in PF2 is indeed quite a bit lower than in PF1, even accounting for the gold -> silver change.
I made this table by comparing the 'Lump Sum' column from PF2 character wealth with the PF1 WBL by level. Like PF1's wealth by level, it is based on how much money a character should receive by the time they are the referenced level, so a level 1 party finding 1000 gp in PF1 (the WBL of a 2nd level character) finds 30gp in PF2 (the 'Lump Sum' starting value of a level 2 character).
Thanks for the suggestions.
Zapp suggests divide by twenty. or 5% of PF1 loot.
FowlJ appears to be suggesting divide by 30 or 3% of PF1 loot.
Somewgere between 3 and 5% sounds about right. I can see my 1st-level players now, teasing out every copper piece...
Human adversaries are likely to have useful gear. I can just see my PCs scrounging every last piece of equipment off a fallen foe.
3 to 5% isn't hard either. Drop a zero (to divide by ten) and take a third or a half.
I dunno about other DMs, but when I hand out loot, I tend to give at least half of it in gems, baubles and minor art objects. As a Player I liked getting 10 ivory rods worth 10gp or a silver statuette of a raven worth 25gp. I would often take those items as my share of loot and store them on my character sheet until I needed to spend them.
The big problem with a flat 5% multiplier is that beyond giving way more than normal early on (to the tune of more than double at 3rd level), it also shorts the party dramatically at high levels - it won't be that relevant unless you're converting one of the level 1-20 APs (or converting a 1-17 one to 1-20), but from level 14 onwards they have less than they're supposed to and at level 20 they've made less than 40% of the expected amount.
So should there be a sliding scale above a certain level? I've been thinking mostly about low-level adventures, since that's what I'll be running for a while.
So should there be a sliding scale above a certain level? I've been thinking mostly about low-level adventures, since that's what I'll be running for a while.
Doesn't Fowlj's link already answer that?
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A somewhat important update: My original calculations for this were done using table 10-10: Character Wealth, which gives the starting money for a character of a given level. The book hadn't actually been released at this point, so I couldn't check the other tables.
I suspected that starting wealth was probably lower than earned wealth, and so I did a new comparison with the 'total value' column of table 10-9: Party Treasure by Level. The difference is quite dramatic. So, those numbers probably reflect the actual conversion more accurately.
A somewhat important update: My original calculations for this were done using table 10-10: Character Wealth, which gives the starting money for a character of a given level. The book hadn't actually been released at this point, so I couldn't check the other tables.
I suspected that starting wealth was probably lower than earned wealth, and so I did a new comparison with the 'total value' column of table 10-9: Party Treasure by Level. The difference is quite dramatic. So, those numbers probably reflect the actual conversion more accurately.
But, if I understand correctly, permanent magic is outside this "wealth by level" tracking.
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The 'Total Value' column is meant to give a complete budget for GMs who want to 'buy' magic items the way you would with PF1 WBL, so it includes assumed item values.
The Total Value column gives an approximate total value of all the treasure, in case you want to spend it like a budget.
The 'Total Value' column is meant to give a complete budget for GMs who want to 'buy' magic items the way you would with PF1 WBL, so it includes assumed item values.
The Total Value column gives an approximate total value of all the treasure, in case you want to spend it like a budget.
You're right. That makes the "Party Treasure by Level" even more painful then I thought.
If you want a mix between simple single number solutions, and per level solutions, could divide it up by level tier.
Taking averages from Fowlj's table, and some approximate, rounded values are:
1-5: 2.6% ~ 2.5%
5-10: 3.8% ~ 4.0%
11-15: 5.8% ~ 6.0%
16-20: 16.8% ~ 17.0%
Or, for the updated table:
1-5: 4.5%
6-10: 8%
11-16: 15%
17-18: 25%
19: 33%
20: 45%
(19 and 20 are on their own because WBL in PF2 absolutely skyrockets in the last couple levels, to the point where averaging it over several levels would inevitably be wildly inaccurate).
A somewhat important update: My original calculations for this were done using table 10-10: Character Wealth, which gives the starting money for a character of a given level. The book hadn't actually been released at this point, so I couldn't check the other tables.
I suspected that starting wealth was probably lower than earned wealth, and so I did a new comparison with the 'total value' column of table 10-9: Party Treasure by Level. The difference is quite dramatic. So, those numbers probably reflect the actual conversion more accurately.
Just to make sure I am understanding this right, this lets you take a reward sum of PF1 gold and convert it into a level appropriate reward sum of PF2 gold, yes?
So at level 10, if the AP lists a 10,000 gold reward, I would give them a 1,000 gold reward?
If so it seems very close to the formula Ediwir gave me, and I find it reassuring that you both independently drew similar conclusions. I'm not quite as number savvy as you two are, or at least not motivated enough to go to all this trouble.
Yes, that's correct. Theoretically, in an adventure where treasure is directly converted the PF2 party should have comparable spending power to the PF1 party, though that depends on what portion of the treasure is currency compared to items (which may or may not have comparable value across systems).
Cool, thanks!
Trying to use the currency reward is useless because the PF1 wealth by level that you're comparing to isn't exclusively currency. You would need to figure out which portion of the PF1 wealth is handed out as money by adventures and then use that for the conversion, which is a lot of unnecessary work when Paizo has already done to opposite and included the approximate total value including items for PF2.
Hello guys,
Please I need help with this question:
*What is the last tier of conversion reward you can achieve in L00T conversion?*
Can you elaborate? I don't understand the question.
Definitely looks like a bot.
Still never understood what exactly the benefit is to doing that.