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Saw there was a trailer for episode 4. Not sure that was necessary, but not surprised. Trying to avoid any kind of spoilers, so I skipped it.
So far the first three episodes have felt very similar to WandaVision and Falcon and Winter Soldier. A lot of setup, some questionable decisions. I get why people complained about Loki ep1 and can almost agree with complaints about ep3. Hoping they pay off the investment as well as WandaVision did (or better).
Right now all I care about is this: Is Sylvie in anyway related to Amora? (Also is her Thor one of the other Hemsworths?)
The recent, brief clips on Marvel Entertainment FWIW maybe holds about 5 seconds of clips from the future episodes. All are technically spoilers but very little is revealed. We will apparently get more on Sylvie's backstory.
QB,
Which part is doubtful?
Cloki?
Chaotic Loki.
Which is probably all of them.
Either works in my view.
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The recent, brief clips on Marvel Entertainment FWIW maybe holds about 5 seconds of clips from the future episodes. All are technically spoilers but very little is revealed. We will apparently get more on Sylvie's backstory.
Apparently the common denominator will be 'both had a bad father' (and we thus learn that Odin was a bad father, despite the great scene in the movies where both brothers keep him company as he dies... it's Anthony Hopkins dammit! I don't care what this Loki show says: Odin was great! :P)
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Yeah, if the last episode's pacing dragged a bit, this one more than picked up the slack! (IMO, of course)
Falcon was right:
Also enjoyed the
Just when I was sure B-15 was another Marvel-brand bureaucratic mindless military drones, she becomes way more interesting. I hope she survived that fight!
I was REALLY surprised at Mobius getting pruned, but then if Loki was sent somewhere else rather than killed for his, I assume we have not seen the last of him either.
Are the Time Keepers totally fake or were those just mechanical proxies and the real ones are still out there? I assume totally fake based on other factors, but especially in the Marvel universe, I'm not going to assume because something is a robot it's harmless/non-representative of a real threat.
My one complaint is the fight choreography at the end, it seemed like Renslayer was just waiting around to have a one-on-one duel and nobody was attacking her when she was wide open. I think the intent was just that she was evading danger during the chaos while the Lokis were focused elsewhere but it really was staged poorly IMO.
Interesting that the Nexus event was just the Lokis being nice to each other. I read a theory online that Sylvie's original "crime" was that she was veering toward being heroic, and that was anathema to the Sacred Timeline. She had to be pruned because Loki needs to be dangerous and self-serving to trigger key events WRT Thor, the Avengers, Thanos, etc. (Mobius in the first ep also commented that Loki's role is to challenge other people to be their best selves through his treachery; if Loki becomes his/her best self then he fails to serve his purpose.)
I've been kind of meh about this series so far, compared to say, Wandavision, but I am intrigued about where things go next.
You know....We just kind of assumed "Pruning" = death by disintegration.
I agree this episode was great! But I am a little confused about something...
Unless I'm just completely misunderstanding what the branches on the TVA's nexus monitors are supposed to represent.
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I agree this episode was great! But I am a little confused about something...
** spoiler omitted **
Option B: Whatever was about to happen with Loki and Sylvie (they were going to kiss? Dance? Implode? Do a pinky swear and declare totes besties forevs? Kill each other?) was going to have some kind of effect that allowed either them to survive somehow (or either one, or someone else on that planet who was not supposed to survive). Perhaps the two of them together have amplified magic that they could have used to either escape or protect themselves? Perhaps the Lokis can merge to become a more powerful Gestalt Loki? Of course if this last is the case, however, then we have a lot more Lokis now for Loki to join forces with. Which probably makes the possibility unlikely, but who knows?
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"Curiouser and curiouser."
I loved the mid-credits scene. At least now we know who Richard E. Grant was going to play. Loved that classic comic book look. I wasn't familiar with the other two versions. I look forward to seeing where they're going with this, and whether we'll get to see even more versions of Loki. Or maybe other Marvel characters.
I've got to admit - Cloki is growing on me more and more. She's adorable, and the actress playing her is doing a great job. I hope they find a way to keep her around, perhaps by taking up the Enchantress identity.
I didn't really like Renslayer from the moment they introduced her, and it looks like my gut feeling was correct. In this episode she comes across as nothing less than a fanatical authoritarian.
It was cool to see Sif again. One of Marvel's big mistakes, in my mind, was not getting her back in the recent movies.
Been some interesting ideas about why Sylvie was grabbed. If it was because she was a girl they would have taken her as a baby so it has to be more than that.
One idea is that she was on a path to become a hero, Thor's ally instead of rival. Thor and his little sister going on adventures together.
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Aberzombie, regarding your last comment:
The beneficial flipside to her lack of availability, however, ensured she wasn't killed during the destruction of Asgard. And thanks to that...
She is confirmed to be in in Thor: Love and Thunder.
DQ,
Which, honestly for a Thor story, I'm looking forward to the most. I mean FREAKING GORR! :D
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PDK, I think it's too late for you to edit, so I'll just note: PDK's spoiler is a link to a leak/future episode speculation, not a discussion of Wednesday's episode, so if you do not want leaks/future episode speculations, please do not open PDK's spoiler.
Personally, I'd appreciate descriptions of such things in the future as just the spoiler tag is not enough when we are typically using it to simply hide discussion of what happened in a recent episode. Thanks.
PDK, I think it's too late for you to edit, so I'll just note: PDK's spoiler is a link to a leak/future episode speculation, not a discussion of Wednesday's episode, so if you do not want leaks/future episode speculations, please do not open PDK's spoiler.
Personally, I'd appreciate descriptions of such things in the future as just the spoiler tag is not enough when we are typically using it to simply hide discussion of what happened in a recent episode. Thanks.
Yes, hard agree. A spoiler for an episode I've already seen is something I'll want to see. But not for an episode that hasn't even aired, yet.
Yeah spoilers are bad m'kay.
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Yeah spoilers are bad m'kay.
Spoilers aren't bad, per se (vague allusions to mostly-forgotten Beavis and Butthead characters might be bad, however ;) ).
Just reasonably fair warnings as to their nature would be appreciated.
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All of what follows I think is not spoilery, but lots of speculation:
So reading various speculation on the internets, and thinking about what we've seen so far, seems like the "sacred timeline" is not the same thing as there being one single universe.* Obviously Sylvie is from an alternate version of Asgard than "our" Loki, and the TVA had no desire to prune that timeline until she did something that caused her timeline to spike toward the "red lines" that indicate a Nexus event. There are multiple timelines but those "allowed" to exist all hit certain key points regarding cosmic events (e.g., the Avengers reversing the Snap). If the TVA's purpose is taken at face value (see also the asterisk) the only problem is creating universes that timelines that may lead to a multiversal war, or some other particular form of multiversal chaos. Madness might even be the word I am looking for...
Does that seem right so far?
I've also seen speculation (this I definitely cannot take credit for) that the Sacred Timeline is actually one that is ultimately doomed by whatever entity it was who truly created the TVA (Kang, Immortus, the Brothers, the Monster Under My Bed, etc.)... it is the timeline that guarantees this Big Bad wins. Loki, in any universe, seems to be a major threat to this big bad, at least if this Loki is not focused on antagonizing other heroes. It's an interesting idea, and I'm curious to see how close this might be to what happens.
Bonus question: are the Nexus events referenced in this show related in any way to the "Nexus" commercial in Wandavision?
* All of this right now assumes there is a sacred timeline, which given all is not as it seems at the TVA, may not even be safe to presume.
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That all makes pretty good sense, given the things we thought were true that weren't. (And things we assumed about that turned out not to be true.)
Nando v Movies has a good theory vid over here.
DQ,
Good theory. Also I was going more for a South Park thing, but sure.
Eh, same difference. *ducks*
*isn't going to toss food at DQ or anything else* But regardless, I like your theory.
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Obviously Sylvie is from an alternate version of Asgard than "our" Loki, and the TVA had no desire to prune that timeline until she did something that caused her timeline to spike toward the "red lines" that indicate a Nexus event.
If there ever *was* a Nexus event. All we have is Ravonna's word on it.
It could be a Macbeth-type thing, where Sylvie is prophesied to be the one who takes down the TVA so the TVA sends someone to prune her, thereby motivating her to take down the TVA, which never would have occurred to her without their interference.
Joana,
Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy move.
Obviously Sylvie is from an alternate version of Asgard than "our" Loki, and the TVA had no desire to prune that timeline until she did something that caused her timeline to spike toward the "red lines" that indicate a Nexus event.If there ever *was* a Nexus event. All we have is Ravonna's word on it.
Since we're nearly to the next episode I will be alluding to most recent episode without spoiler tags. If we want to give more time before de tagging please advise (and I can ask the admins to change my post if need be).
Well, there are those machines that show the yellow line going toward the red line, that triggers the Minutemen to go a-pruning (I'm not sure if Renslayer has control of that directly; she was an analyst when Syl-oki was a child, not a judge, IIRC, so didn't have as much power, and IIRC we are seeing Syl-oki's memory of the TVA, not Ravonna's telling of it). But yes we have to take any presumptions about the TVA operations with a giant grain of salt.
It could be a Macbeth-type thing, where Sylvie is prophesied to be the one who takes down the TVA so the TVA sends someone to prune her, thereby motivating her to take down the TVA, which never would have occurred to her without their interference.
Yes, though personally I think it's more likely any Loki who steps out of his/her/their particular role in being foil/antagonist to Thor/the Avengers. Mobius mentions to Loki that there are more Variants of him than anyone else. And of course we have now seen several to boot. There's got to be a reason Lokis in general are a threat, not just her. Sylvie is just the "worst" because she's actively worked against the TVA for so long--but then that particular fact, indeed, does fold back toward the idea of the self-fulfilling prophecy.
I think variant Lokis are problematic to whatever it is that the TVA heads are trying for.
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Richard E Grant was just... perfect.
Boo, Ravonna, boo!