Why does Eutropia want to get rid of primogeniture???

[katataban]

Primogeniture, litterally meaning the firstborn is invested. Meaning that the firstborn child of the ruler inherits all titles.

Since Eutropia is Stavian's firstborn, the worst thing to happen for her would be losing Primogeniture. And then, what to replace it with? Salic inheritance? Ultimogeniture?

From the context it looks like that what she is trying to get rid of is agnatic inheritance, but the AP keeps telling me she wants to get rid of primogeniture. What is the reasoning behind this?

[Blue Eyed Devil]

There was a lengthy discussion about this in the Crownfall sticky post. Basically it seems it boils down to a simplified presentation of a more complex historical subject, just to streamline gameplay. So in Golarion, primogeniture and agnatic inheritance are essentially the same thing.

Also, Stavian's crown is called the Primogen Crown, which sounds cool. End of the day, it's a game, have fun.

[Steve Geddes]

The Taldan law of primogeniture is not identical to any, specific use of the real world term.

From the author and developer

Thursty wrote:

Primogeniture in this context not about some Earth equivalent word or some established set of rules that was once followed on Earth and magically ported over into Golarion; this use of the word is specifically addressing an ancient law that the _fictional nation of Taldor_ has followed for a long time. Yes, the word has contextual history and meaning in our world, but to the people of Taldor (again, a fictional nation) this is the name they chose for a law that determines their succession of nobility and how it works. Much like the application of real world primogeniture, of which there are numerous variants (as per, funnily enough, the Wikipedia article.) Taldor has its own application of the word and an associated meaning. In this case, primogeniture is a law that's become tradition that was established in their early politics. The Senate's involvement in its repeal is the direct result of it being a Taldan law that requires the Senate to overrule it.

Crystal wrote:

I'm the developer for War for the Crown, and I specifically elected to go with the word "primogeniture" rather than delve into pedantry about specific subcategories of a tradition that was getting overturned before the PCs really become involved in the action.

[Chakat Firepaw]

katataban wrote:

Primogeniture, litterally meaning the firstborn is invested. Meaning that the firstborn child of the ruler inherits all titles.

Historically, when the term primogeniture has been used it has been presumed to be agnatic or at least male-preference primogeniture rather than absolute primogeniture. Remember that in RL, almost no nation used absolute primogeniture until the late 20th century.

[katataban]

Chakat Firepaw wrote:

Historically, when the term primogeniture has been used it has been presumed to be agnatic or at least male-preference primogeniture rather than absolute primogeniture. Remember that in RL, almost no nation used absolute primogeniture until the late 20th century.

Actually there are hundreds of examples of agnatic-cognatic and even full cognatic primogeniture throughout history. From the Basque and other Gallic kingdoms to many tengri nations. But even if they hadn't it makes no difference to the subject.

"Crystal"}I'm the developer for War for the Crown, and I specifically elected to go with the word "primogeniture" rather than delve into pedantry about specific subcategories of a tradition that was getting overturned before the PCs really become involved in the action. [/QUOTE wrote:

So what they're saying is, they specifically chose the wrong word in order to not sound pedantic? That explains so much.

[Steve Geddes]

katataban wrote:

So what they're saying is, they specifically chose the wrong word in order to not sound pedantic? That explains so much.

No, that’s not what they’re saying.

However, you’re in luck:

Crystal also wrote:

Feel free that add additional adjectives to it in your game, or if it breaks the world for you, simply skip this Adventure Path.

[Matthew Downie]

This would be an obscure bit of terminology that hardly anyone cares about, if it weren't for Crusader Kings 2, which teaches players that primogeniture has nothing to do with gender, but is an alternative to gavelkind, elective succession, ultimogeniture, etc.

[Ring_of_Gyges]

True, unfortunately the kind of nerd who wants to role-play a feudal succession crisis overlaps pretty completely with the kind of nerd who has played a lot of Crusader Kings 2.