Cleric and Druid 10th Level Spells

[Tectorman]

Sorcerers with Archmage's Might add two 10th-level spells to their spell repertoire, as do Bards with Virtuoso's Brilliance per the updates. Wizards do the same thing, but the spells are added to their spellbook. These make sense. Clerics and Druids, however, use Miraculous Power and Hierophant's Power, respectively, to add two 10th-level spells to their spells known.

What spells known? You don't have any spells known. You have the entirety of the Cleric/Druid spell list (at least the common spells) from which you prepare selections. What is "spells known" supposed to mean in the context of a prepared caster?

[dnoisette]

Two possibilities here:

1/ It's an oversight from copy/pasting the text from other classes.
Clerics and Druids have no spell known mechanic and can choose from their entire list, including for 10th level spells.

OR

2/ The feat wording indicates that you get access to Uncommon spells for use with your 10th level spell slots, even though you cannot normally choose from uncommon spells when preparing (unless your DM specifically allowed it).
It would make sense since all 10th level spells on the Divine and Primal spell lists are Uncommon.

[Tectorman]

dnoisette wrote:

Two possibilities here:

1/ It's an oversight from copy/pasting the text from other classes.
Clerics and Druids have no spell known mechanic and can choose from their entire list, including for 10th level spells.

OR

2/ The feat wording indicates that you get access to Uncommon spells for use with your 10th level spell slots, even though you cannot normally choose from uncommon spells when preparing (unless your DM specifically allowed it).
It would make sense since all 10th level spells on the Divine and Primal spell lists are Uncommon.

Can't be 1) since the language for the other classes is either "spell repertoire" or "spellbook", but maybe it's 2); the intent being that now they can ask nature/their deity for any spells normally available plus those additional two.

Still poorly phrased.

[Siro]

Hmm...Did not actually think about that.I do agree its most likely you can ask for one of those two spells during you preparation.

Though I wonder if they mean if the power that grant you spells will automaticaly grant those spells, or merely that you have the ability to ask those particular spells, with a 10th level slot. {I hope not, though they are 'Uncommon'.} I mean, you could use a lower level spell in your 10th level slot when your power says no, but it would be a major hit if that were the case.

[Xenocrat]

Tectorman wrote:

Sorcerers with Archmage's Might add two 10th-level spells to their spell repertoire, as do Bards with Virtuoso's Brilliance per the updates. Wizards do the same thing, but the spells are added to their spellbook. These make sense. Clerics and Druids, however, use Miraculous Power and Hierophant's Power, respectively, to add two 10th-level spells to their spells known.

What spells known? You don't have any spells known. You have the entirety of the Cleric/Druid spell list (at least the common spells) from which you prepare selections. What is "spells known" supposed to mean in the context of a prepared caster?

Clerics and Druids only "know" and can choose common spells, and uncommon/rare/unique spells they either get from class features or learn per the rules of the Religion/Nature skills. Since all the 10th level spells are uncommon, this gives them for free and they don't have to spend the money or make the skill check normally required to know an uncommon spell like they would have to if they want the ability to prepare something like Raise Dead.

[thenobledrake]

It's strangely worded, but it does what I expected it to do when read as-is.

It gives 1 spell slot, so the ability to prepare a single spell of that level each day.

It also lets you pick 2 spells to choose between when preparing spells.

The weirdness is "I don't have any other spells known", but yeah, you don't - and know you have these 2 known spells, and you can prepare a known spell if you have a spell slot for its level.