Just confirming my understanding of the Barbarian's 4th level Swipe ability. It takes two actions. It's one attack roll against two separate ACs. It counts as two attacks, meaning that your third attack this turn, should you take one, is -10 or -8 (if agile).
It also means that your one attack roll is being applied normally to the first target and at -5 or -4 to the second target, correct? I.e., if my attack modifier is +10, if I'm not using an agile weapon, and if I rolled a 15 on the die, then my first attack is a 25 and my second a 20 (I don't roll again, but use the previous 15 on the die, plus my mod, plus the MAP). Correct?
I think you're right on the first part, but I think it's 25 against both targets, for the second part, since it's just one attack, just it counts as two for MAP.
I think you're right on the first part, but I think it's 25 against both targets, for the second part, since it's just one attack, just it counts as two for MAP.
So the first attack doesn't get a MAP (obviously not, it's the first attack), the second attack doesn't get a MAP, and only your third attack (if you made one) would? And this third attack would be -10 or -8 (since Swipe explicitly counts as two attacks)?
I think you're right on the first part, but I think it's 25 against both targets, for the second part, since it's just one attack, just it counts as two for MAP.So the first attack doesn't get a MAP (obviously not, it's the first attack), the second attack doesn't get a MAP, and only your third attack (if you made one) would? And this third attack would be -10 or -8 (since Swipe explicitly counts as two attacks)?
That's basally right. Though I think technically there is no second attack. Rather swipe takes two actions and is a single attack with two targets, you use the same attack roll (and same MAP of -0) and compare it to both of the targets ACs. Then a third action attack gets -10 or -8 because swipe counts as two for future MAPs.
That's basally right. Though I think technically there is no second attack. Rather swipe takes two actions and is a single attack with two targets, you use the same attack roll (and same MAP of -0) and compare it to both of the targets ACs. Then a third action attack gets -10 or -8 because swipe counts as two for future MAPs.I think you're right on the first part, but I think it's 25 against both targets, for the second part, since it's just one attack, just it counts as two for MAP.So the first attack doesn't get a MAP (obviously not, it's the first attack), the second attack doesn't get a MAP, and only your third attack (if you made one) would? And this third attack would be -10 or -8 (since Swipe explicitly counts as two attacks)?
I'm not sure. The FAQ for the Monk's Flurry makes it clear that those two strikes count as two strikes not just for the purposes of other attacks that turn, but also for the second Flurry attack within the same action. Wouldn't similar logic apply to Swipe?
I'm not sure. The FAQ for the Monk's Flurry makes it clear that those two strikes count as two strikes not just for the purposes of other attacks that turn, but also for the second Flurry attack within the same action. Wouldn't similar logic apply to Swipe?That's basally right. Though I think technically there is no second attack. Rather swipe takes two actions and is a single attack with two targets, you use the same attack roll (and same MAP of -0) and compare it to both of the targets ACs. Then a third action attack gets -10 or -8 because swipe counts as two for future MAPs.I think you're right on the first part, but I think it's 25 against both targets, for the second part, since it's just one attack, just it counts as two for MAP.So the first attack doesn't get a MAP (obviously not, it's the first attack), the second attack doesn't get a MAP, and only your third attack (if you made one) would? And this third attack would be -10 or -8 (since Swipe explicitly counts as two attacks)?
No it wouldn't because swipe is a single attack with two targets whereas flurry is two separate attacks.
Swipe "Make a melee Strike and compare the attack roll to the AC of up to two foes,"
Flurry of Blows "Make two unarmed Strikes"
Note also that Swipe contains the language "A Swipe counts as two attacks for your multiple attack penalty" while Monk's Flurry of Blows does not.