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I've not had many complaints about PF2, so... bear with me... here's my biggest complaint so far. Not even Resonance can possibly affect a character so profoundly.
So, of complaint frequently is the idea that Alchemist Kits are 2 Bulk. This is quite a hefty kit by comparison: Climbing Kits? Repair Kits? Healer Kits? 1 Bulk. Smaller kits like Thieves' Tools? even lighter.
Even a FREAKIN' TEN-FOOT POLE is 1 Bulk! An alchemist Tool Kit is harder to tote around than a Ten Foot Long Wooden Pole.
However, other Devices and kits are even more ridiculously overweight in terms of bulk. A Snare Kit? What if you want a Ranger to have Snares be their "go to" ability? A Snare Kit is 8 BULK. That would encumber all but the 16 STR warrior, and that's with nothing else carried except his skivvies and a hopeful gleam in his eye. He would have to put this on a mount -- no, scratch that. A Snare Kit is as bulky as a six-foot tall person. A mount could, unencumbered, carry the snare kit, or a rider with his gear. Not both.
So let's look at Bulky Musical Instruments. 16 Bulk. OK, a Piano I could see - maybe a portable Harpsichord. But what examples do we see? a set of drums, or a Tuba. That one doesn't bother me as much, but it still stands out as a level of Bulk that will not even grace a mount -- perhaps a wagon.
So, in addition to fixing the poor required Alchemy Kit, perhaps we could do something to make that poor snare kit viable, especially if we WANT the Ranger and other wilderness-types to find it appealing to use.
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I'm pretty sure a snare kit includes an 8 foot log.
Mandatory rules for a metagaming bard:
man... those people in marching bands carrying and playing tubas must be beasts with them carrying, and marching, with a 16 bulk thing on their hands.
Consider the idea stolen.
So is a pipe organ only 16 bulk? Seems low to me.
I took a drum kit home on the London Underground. It took me 2 journeys and I wasn't going to be able to carry much else. So as an average skinny youth (Str 10?) that's about 8 bulk per trip, total 16.
I'm pretty sure a snare kit includes an 8 foot log.
Nothing like that in the list of snares in the playtest rulebook. Well, maybe the hobbling snare if the log is intended to hit you in the knees, but probably not.
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It's all well and good for realism, but if the designers want characters to actually try to use it, I'd think it needs to come down in weight a bit. As it is, I find it very unlikely many players are going to invest resources in snare-making if it requires a "kit" the size of a person to use it consistently - not to mention that, unlike Alchemical Items, you can't "craft a snare" and take it with you to use later like you could an alchemical bomb or a mutagen. You craft in-place and it doesn't move -- and I need a freakin' pack animal to go adventuring and find an opportunity to use it.
I'm being a little more facetious on the drums or Tuba -- doubt we'll see many Tuba-playing Bards, anyway.
So, naturally, my next playtest character is going to be a multi-classed tuba-playing Bard/Fighter with an 18 STR and wears heavy armor and packs a Bastard Sword for backup... Just to see how far I get. :)
doubt we'll see many Tuba-playing Bards, anyway.
I dunno, it feels like in this edition it's wholly possible to play a bard who never puts down their instrument to pick up a weapon, so I can see people who want to do this choosing to play whichever instrument conjures the most amusing mental image- sousaphone, marching glockenspeil, tenor drum kit, etc.
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doubt we'll see many Tuba-playing Bards, anyway.I dunno, it feels like in this edition it's wholly possible to play a bard who never puts down their instrument to pick up a weapon, so I can see people who want to do this choosing to play whichever instrument conjures the most amusing mental image- sousaphone, marching glockenspeil, tenor drum kit, etc.
Can you use a didgeridoo as a staff?
I'm asking for a friend <.<
I now picture a Gnome Bard using a freaking triangle like a madman while laughing hysterically to make people confuse and angry.doubt we'll see many Tuba-playing Bards, anyway.I dunno, it feels like in this edition it's wholly possible to play a bard who never puts down their instrument to pick up a weapon, so I can see people who want to do this choosing to play whichever instrument conjures the most amusing mental image- sousaphone, marching glockenspeil, tenor drum kit, etc.Can you use a didgeridoo as a staff?
I'm asking for a friend <.<
Needs more cowbell!
Tuba-playing bard... a Tubard?
doubt we'll see many Tuba-playing Bards, anyway.I dunno, it feels like in this edition it's wholly possible to play a bard who never puts down their instrument to pick up a weapon, so I can see people who want to do this choosing to play whichever instrument conjures the most amusing mental image- sousaphone, marching glockenspeil, tenor drum kit, etc.Can you use a didgeridoo as a staff?
I'm asking for a friend <.<
It's hollow so wouldn't be weighted properly. But I'd allow it as an improvised staff (-2 to hit), sure.
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I'm pretty sure a snare kit includes an 8 foot log.
At 8 bulk, I think it includes a goblin to build the snares for you... :P
I keep thinking the snare kit's bulk is a typo. 8 is just two keys above 2 on the number pad on a keyboard, after all...
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I keep thinking the snare kit's bulk is a typo. 8 is just two keys above 2 on the number pad on a keyboard, after all...
Or it was meant to be 9 and they just haven't gotten around to upping it... :P
Quite honestly, everything about the bulk system and the seemingly random nature of bulk assigned to items bothers me. Without knowing what's exactly in the kit or what it's size/weight/ect is, it's hard to say something is an unintended error or an intended one.
So is a pipe organ only 16 bulk? Seems low to me.
I'm not yet an expert on Bulk, but this pipe organ is probably less than 16 bulk (it's certainly less than the upper of the tuba size range).
Honestly, I haven't had a problem with the rest of the Bulk system -- it's just a few inordinately-bulky things that stick out like sore thumbs to me. My Level 1 Wizard was walking around with 2 bulk and change, my level 4 Alchemist got kitted out at about 5 bulk (he was closest) but everyone else I blew a slot on a bag of holding for, and weight problems weren't an issue - but I have no desire to wait until level 5 or later, and hope to get lucky finding or making a bag of holding to begin bothering with a snare kit, because for a level 1 through 4 character, an 8 Bulk Snare Kit is the LOWEST item on my list of needs.