Can I hide a Sun Blade in this cloak? It seems to be working like a short sword, but the size of a bastard sword... What do you say?
No, you may not hide a sunblade in a CotSS. A sunblade is only wielded as if it were a short sword. A CotSS can conceal only light blades.
You can hide any weapon in the cloak, as long as you add a Versatile Design weapon modification for 750 gp (+50% cost if you add them to weapons that are already magic).
It raises the proficiency rating by one, though. So in this case you'd need exotic proficiency.
This is easily bought with a (cracked) White Pyramid Ioun Stone for 1,500 gp if you have martial proficiency.
Thanks for advice, but if I want exotic weapon proficiency, what it will be? Exotic WP (Short Sword)? (Modified Short Sword)?
And actually... it does not change the size, does it? If the question is only fighter weapon group - sun blade is in both light and heavy blades
I'd guess Modified Short Sword.
And no, it doesn't change the size. But the Sun Blade is doesn't have any language that explicitly says that it's part of the Light Blade weapon group, so the question of fighter weapon group still stands.
However, a sun Blade is wielded as if it were a short sword with respect to weight and ease of use.
You can TWF with a penalty for using a light weapon, and one could argue that you can't wield it two-handed for 1.5x str dmg. That's about it. Nothing about weapon groups.
So.. is this method perfectly legal? To make any blade a "light blade" weapon group for hiding it?
Yeah, but I don't see you getting much mileage out of it, really.
You can hide any weapon in the cloak, as long as you add a Versatile Design weapon modification for 750 gp (+50% cost if you add them to weapons that are already magic).
It raises the proficiency rating by one, though. So in this case you'd need exotic proficiency.
This is easily bought with a (cracked) White Pyramid Ioun Stone for 1,500 gp if you have martial proficiency.
Why add 50%? It is not a magic effect.
Where do you get the "raises the proficiency rating by one"? That is not in the Cloak of the Sneaky Scoundrel or the Versatile Design.
/cevah
You can hide any weapon in the cloak, as long as you add a Versatile Design weapon modification for 750 gp (+50% cost if you add them to weapons that are already magic).
It raises the proficiency rating by one, though. So in this case you'd need exotic proficiency.
This is easily bought with a (cracked) White Pyramid Ioun Stone for 1,500 gp if you have martial proficiency.Why add 50%? It is not a magic effect.
Where do you get the "raises the proficiency rating by one"? That is not in the Cloak of the Sneaky Scoundrel or the Versatile Design.
/cevah
Here, the description of Weapon Modifications.
Some smiths or inventive adventurers are unsatisfied with traditional weapon designs, adding custom improvements to the weapons they craft. These modifications are added to mundane weapons after creation at the listed cost, but modifying magical weapons increases the cost of modifications by 50%. As with enchanting, modifications are applied to ammunition in sets of 50. A weapon can normally only bear one modification at a time.
After being modified, a weapon’s category (simple, martial, or exotic) increases by one step. While a character proficient with all martial weapons can use a modified simple weapon without additional training, modified martial weapons require the Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat to use without taking penalties. An exotic weapon that receives modifications cannot be wielded without the Modified Weapon Proficiency or Weapon Adept feat. A character proficient with a specific weapon (such as a cleric’s proficiency with her deity’s favored weapon) is not automatically proficient with a modified weapon of that type.
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The sun blade is already treated as a short sword for all mechanical purposes, like feats, so I don't think you need versatile design. There's fluff text about it being the size of a bastard sword, so normally it wouldn't fit in the cloak of the sneaky scoundrel, but it is a light blade so it does anyways.
It's treated as a Short Sword 'with respect to weight and ease of use'. If that means 'weapon groups', then by all means.
The sun blade is already treated as a short sword for all mechanical purposes, like feats, so I don't think you need versatile design. There's fluff text about it being the size of a bastard sword, so normally it wouldn't fit in the cloak of the sneaky scoundrel, but it is a light blade so it does anyways.
However, a sun Blade is wielded as if it were a short sword with respect to weight and ease of use.
It is not treated as a short sword for all purposes. Only for wielding.
The feats you mention are referring to wielding the weapon, so get the benefit. The cloak is not wielding it, so it cannot treat it as a light weapon.@Wonderstell:
I never read that info about weapon modifications.
Rather than adding Versatile Design for 1125 & proficiency level, how about adding Shrinking for 1000?
/cevah
@Wonderstell:
I never read that info about weapon modifications.Rather than adding Versatile Design for 1125 & proficiency level, how about adding Shrinking for 1000?
/cevah
I formulated it poorly, but I had already accounted for the +50% cost in my post. (The original cost is 500).
But Shrinking should be the most straightforward option, negating the need for the Weapon Mod, the Cloak, and the Ioun stone.
The only downside is that is takes a Standard action to turn it back into its standard size, but when you can afford a Sun Blade you won't care much about an average loss of three damage.
The standard needed is only an issue if you were not expecting combat. Most campaigns the character can have the weapon out and ready. It only needs to be hidden when in social situations and if there is a no-weapons area. If you need to combat then, then everyone is dealing with finding hidden weapons to use or casting spells for weapons.
Another solution: a Glove of Storing for 10,000 gp. It only needs a free action to get the weapon ready or hide it.
/cevah