Alchemist's fire or a broken lantern - the most likely sources of burning oil - don't even involve saves so won't harm objects unless they're specifically targeted.
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Alchemist's fire or a broken lantern - the most likely sources of burning oil - don't even involve saves so won't harm objects unless they're specifically targeted.
Catching on Fire
Characters exposed to burning oil, bonfires, and non-instantaneous magic fires might find their clothes, hair, or equipment on fire. Spells with an instantaneous duration don't normally set a character on fire, since the heat and flame from these come and go in a flash.
Characters at risk of catching fire are allowed a DC 15 Reflex save to avoid this fate. If a character's clothes or hair catch fire, he takes 1d6 points of damage immediately. In each subsequent round, the burning character must make another Reflex saving throw. Failure means he takes another 1d6 points of damage that round. Success means that the fire has gone out—that is, once he succeeds on his saving throw, he's no longer on fire.
A character on fire may automatically extinguish the flames by jumping into enough water to douse himself. If no body of water is at hand, rolling on the ground or smothering the fire with cloaks or the like permits the character another save with a +4 bonus.
Those whose clothes or equipment catch fire must make DC 15 Reflex saves for each item. Flammable items that fail take the same amount of damage as the character.
Generally it is hand waived, but it is fairly easy for your clothes and equipment to start burning when exposed to burning oil or alchemist fire. And when your clothes or equipment is burning and damaging you, it is hard to argue that that equipment isn't being damaged too.
Paizo, during the 3.5 days, published the Hardening spell, but sadly it was never reprinted, maybe for copyright reasons. A pity as it would resolve most problems related to the easy destruction of some magical item.
Adding 1 point of hardness for every two caster level of the object to existing items would increase their survivability by a lot.
Is that really rules cheese? Seems like a legitimate way to protect your stuff to me.
Also, wow, going by the guidelines a bag of holding would have 0 hardness and, what, 1 hit point? Eep. Might want to build it out of tougher stuff, if you can.
Also, wow, going by the guidelines a bag of holding would have 0 hardness and, what, 1 hit point? Eep. Might want to build it out of tougher stuff, if you can.
I believe you missed one key part about magic items though you would need to talk with your Dm to specifically figure it out.
Magic Armor, Shields, and Weapons
Each +1 of enhancement bonus adds 2 to the hardness of armor, a weapon, or a shield, and +10 to the item’s hit points.
Even though this states specifically for armor shields and weapons I don't see why any other dutifully magic item (Robe of useful items for example.) Wouldn't also get these pluses since they are magical and thus more hardy than normal items.
Also, wow, going by the guidelines a bag of holding would have 0 hardness and, what, 1 hit point? Eep. Might want to build it out of tougher stuff, if you can.I believe you missed one key part about magic items though you would need to talk with your Dm to specifically figure it out.
Magic Armor, Shields, and Weapons
Each +1 of enhancement bonus adds 2 to the hardness of armor, a weapon, or a shield, and +10 to the item’s hit points.
Even though this states specifically for armor shields and weapons I don't see why any other dutifully magic item (Robe of useful items for example.) Wouldn't also get these pluses since they are magical and thus more hardy than normal items.
What's the enhancement bonus of a bag of holding?
Well Minimum caster level of Secret chest is a lvl 10 Sorcerer/lvl 9 Wizard so I am going to error on the side of that and say minimum the Bag of holding is a +3 enhancement minimum with Bag of holding II being +4 Bag of holding III +5 and ending with Bag of holding IV at +6
Even the part you quote is specifically about armor, shields, and weapons. I am not certain even an amulet of mighty fists or bracers of armor would get the benefits despite their similarities (but that's a GM's call for their game).
I already referenced this part with my last post saying this.
Even though this states specifically for armor shields and weapons I don't see why any other dutifully magic item (Robe of useful items for example.) Wouldn't also get these pluses since they are magical and thus more hardy than normal items.
As for the whole its just as easy to destroy as a normal burlap sack i dont see why that would be as its a magically enhanced burlap sack that was made to house an Extra-dimensional space even if you kept each sack as a +3 enhancement since you can craft any of the 4 once you get Secret chest to me that seems more plausible for a magic item.
These aren't mundane items after all these are things with sometimes quite powerful enchantments I doubt anyone is going to enchant something without first making sure that its not going to get caught on a door and rip apart.
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So by your logic and the logic of the game persay then this means that theoretically a Belt of giants strength or Boots of elvenkind should not last more than a dungeon or two?
I mean you're doing some pretty strenuous stuff and you're fighting Dragons and scorpions the size of horses ogres and undead as a norm. So with all these items being just as strong as normal items Artifacts shouldn't really be a thing because stuff like the Apparatus of Kwalish should be heavily rusted and immobile after 50 years of unuse and no upkeep being done.
Boots of elvenkind left on a rotting corpse should be themselves rotting and unusable. a robe of useful items should be found in a dungeon littered with holes and tears and otherwise looking ratty as the 100+ year old grand wizard corpse died in it.
I mean this doesn't seem at all whats referenced in the game itself even if the rules don't state it these items seem hardier than you are making them out to be.
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Even though this states specifically for armor shields and weapons I don't see why any other dutifully magic item (Robe of useful items for example.) Wouldn't also get these pluses since they are magical and thus more hardy than normal items.
As for the whole its just as easy to destroy as a normal burlap sack i dont see why that would be as its a magically enhanced burlap sack that was made to house an Extra-dimensional space even if you kept each sack as a +3 enhancement since you can craft any of the 4 once you get Secret chest to me that seems more plausible for a magic item.
These aren't mundane items after all these are things with sometimes quite powerful enchantments I doubt anyone is going to enchant something without first making sure that its not going to get caught on a door and rip apart.
From a rules questions standpoint, the reason why a bag of holding doesn't get additional hardness and hit points is the same reason why it doesn't get darkvision 60'--namely, because the rules don't say so.
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[snip]So by your logic and the logic of the game persay then this means that theoretically a Belt of giants strength or Boots of elvenkind should not last more than a dungeon or two?
Well, yes. I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't LIKE how fragile magic items are according to the rules, for many of the very reasons you've raised. But the fact that I don't like the rules doesn't change them.
It just doesnt really make much sense in my head thats all. I guess ill add in my rulings as part of my game rules since they arent raw lol.
As for artifacts, those have rules specifically making them harder to destroy, so your deck of many things is just fine.