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The rules for weapon fusions state the following:
"Each weapon fusion has an item level, and a fusion can't be placed on a weapon that has a lower level than the fusion's item level."
The rules for weapon fusion seals state the following:
"A weapon fusion seal only affects weapons of the given level or less, as noted in parentheses after the name of the fusion seal."
So, can weapon fusion seals only be placed on weapons of exactly the fusion's item level? For example, can a level 5 shock fusion seal only be placed on weapons whose item level is exactly 5?
As far as I can grok, you set the level of the fusion seal, which can be any level from the minimum level of the fusion in question up to level 20. You then pay the price according to the level you set, and it can be used on any weapon of that level or lower, so long as the weapon is at least the minimum level for a fusion of that type. It occupies a number of "levels worth" of fusions according to a normal fusion of that type, so even if you made a 15th level seal out of a 5th level fusion, it still only counts as 5 levels of fusions against the item's capacity.
Let's quote some stuff from the CRB, page 191:
A fusion seal affects only weapons of a given level or less, as
noted in parentheses after the name of the fusion seal. For
example, a holy fusion seal that could be applied to any weapon
of 10th level or lower would be written holy fusion seal (10th).
A fusion seal can’t be added to a weapon if doing so
would cause the weapon’s total level of fusions (including the
level of the fusion seal) to exceed its item level or if the weapon
is not a legitimate choice for the fusion within the fusion seal.
A regular holy fusion is only level 2.
For the "fusion seal can be applied to a weapon of level X and lower" rule to actually work, the fusion seal has to use the level of regular fusion, otherwise it doesn't make sense. If in the example above the fusion seal has a fusion level of 10, it could only be applied to level 10 weapons.
Since they state that it can be used on lower level weapons, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be be a 10th level fusion seal but a 2nd level fusion when adding fusion levels.
As it is written, it's kinda RAI more than RAW.
I agree that the interpretations that Valfen and Fuzzypaws have offered are the only ones that make sense, but its not what my copy of the rules says
Under fusion seals:
"A fusion seal only affects weapons of a given level or less"
and
"A fusion seal can’t be added to a weapon if doing so
would cause the weapon’s total level of fusions (including the
level of the *fusion seal*) to exceed its item level or if the weapon
is not a legitimate choice for the fusion within the fusion seal.
The bottom sentence should probably instead read:
"A fusion seal can’t be added to a weapon if doing so
would cause the weapon’s total level of fusions (including the
level of the *fusion* that the fusion seal is created with) to exceed its item level or if the weapon is not a legitimate choice for the fusion within the fusion seal."
Thanks all!
Not trying to be argumentative, but that is also slightly poorly worded. Notice that it says level of fusion seal, and that:I agree that the interpretations that Valfen and Fuzzypaws have offered are the only ones that make sense, but its not what my copy of the rules says
Under fusion seals:
"A fusion seal only affects weapons of a given level or less"
and
"A fusion seal can’t be added to a weapon if doing so
would cause the weapon’s total level of fusions (including the
level of the *fusion seal*) to exceed its item level or if the weapon
is not a legitimate choice for the fusion within the fusion seal.The bottom sentence should probably instead read:
"A fusion seal can’t be added to a weapon if doing so
would cause the weapon’s total level of fusions (including the
level of the *fusion* that the fusion seal is created with) to exceed its item level or if the weapon is not a legitimate choice for the fusion within the fusion seal."Thanks all!
A fusion seal affects only weapons of a given level or less, as noted in parentheses after the name of the fusion seal. For
example, a holy fusion seal that could be applied to any weapon
of 10th level or lower would be written holy fusion seal (10th).
The number is not the actual item level of the seal. The item level of the seal is the fusion's original level.
In the example from the CRB:
holy fusion seal (10th) means that the item level for the seal is 2, since holy fusion is a 2nd level fusion, and that the (10th) dictates that item level weapons of 10 down to 0 may apply it, but that it cannot go below 2, since 2 is the minimum for the fusion seal's actual item/fusion level.
So, I am running Incident at Absalom Station. One of my characters has an Assault Maul (lvl 1). The disruptive fusion seal (5th) that is part of the loot... can it be added to the Assault Maul? The rules seem to contradict themselves as noted in the above thread. Thoughts?
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The seal item level, 5th, provides a ceiling and means it can only be put on a weapon of 5th level or lower. But the disruptive fusion is level 3, provides a floor so it has to be on an item of 3rd or higher. So it only works on items of level 3-5.
The seal item level, 5th, provides a ceiling and means it can only be put on a weapon of 5th level or lower. But the disruptive fusion is level 3, provides a floor so it has to be on an item of 3rd or higher. So it only works on items of level 3-5.
Ah! Gotcha. Seems a tad too complicated but I can understand it. Thank you for clarification.
That was true when Dead Suns 1 was written. It is false, with Armory.
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The seal item level, 5th, provides a ceiling and means it can only be put on a weapon of 5th level or lower. But the disruptive fusion is level 3, provides a floor so it has to be on an item of 3rd or higher. So it only works on items of level 3-5.Ah! Gotcha. Seems a tad too complicated but I can understand it. Thank you for clarification.
This took me months to figure out as well.
I foresee these early threads being rehashed years down the line by people who will be confused at our initial confusion =\