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People want to tell their own story not be sidekicks to your Gandalf, Hercules et al.
You do know thats why Superhero group comics like the Avengers and Justice League exist? So Thor and the Hulk can team up.
As explained ad nauseum upthread, they can't balance the game you want. Not everyone who sits at the table is going to have The Hulk or Iron Man so your monster of a character will dominate the encounter leaving your fellow players marginalized, not to mention the scenarios have to try to achieve balance across all sorts of different tables. Which is why the have banned stuff from society organized play.
Find a home game if you can find like minded players to play with. if you want to play PFS try to understand what people more patient than myself are explaining to you. The more you keep posting the same stuff "I want this.....I done see why I can't that" the more childish and unreasonable you seem. Which may be explain the difficulty in finding people who want go game with you.
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Without other options, and 10's of thousands having fun a certain way, beggars can't really be choosers.
When you find a campaign that you can play, typically one would adapt to the rules of that campaign, or choose not to play.
Essentially you aren't going to get what you want. So either learn to have fun with what's available, or just let it go and move on.
When the answer to most replies is "if you dont like it, quit" something is very wrong.
I want the right to choose restored to how it is written in the Pathfinder rulebooks.
There is no benefit to me of having anything banned so the Pathfinder Society Campaign is prejudiced against me. It treats me like a criminal and the responses I am getting from you might as well asking me for why I am whining about denial of, well take your pick. Denial of the right to vote/get married/raise a family/change residences/get a job or something more mundane like wear certain colors.
Well this thread has done what i should have expected. It sent me into a depression with my hopes crushed. I want 100% access to Paizo published Pathfinder material to have freedom. I want a roleplaying experience that isnt made redundant by a videogame. In response I get people saying I should quit trying or go play a different game. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations and the only choice I have is the Pathfinder Society Campaign with level caps, banned options, and railroading.
Yeah, we get it. You want a different style of play than PFS provides. But when it’s the only game in town you can get to, sometimes you gotta compromise in your preferences.
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You should also note, some of the folks here have been playing for most of those ten years, and many also have helped deal with the situation where options like the synthesist summoner destroyed games and made GMs and players quit in disgust. Sorry you weren't here to see that, but it is not a theoretical construct.
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Yesterday was an excellent example for this thread. We had a local gameday in which the game scheduled was for 3rd to 7th level characters. The party that showed up was of mostly level 3-5, save for one person that had a 7th level character.
The GM let the player know that most of the table was lower level. He explained that with the party make up, bringing that 7th level character would put the party in the high subtier. When the player said he was still playing his 7th level character, the GM checked with the table and let them know they would be playing high. Being a number of fairly new players, they did not find any issue with that and agreed to play with the 7th level character.
The end result was all but one of the party unconscious in the final encounter and the survivor surrendering to save their lives. The mission failed, but thankfully no characters died. The player put the rest of the table against encounters intended for 6th and 7th level characters because he wanted to play his way.
Did this cause a lot of upset people? I haven't heard much beyond the GMs complaints after the session was done. I believe that most of the players were able to take it in stride. But they have gained the experience that playing with an imbalanced party against higher challenges is not a good idea. They may have gained a negative opinion of the player with the 7th level character. And they may avoid playing with him again.
Repeat this story across game stores far and wide and you see damage to the community. Now exacerbate it by allowing every rule to be used. Allow houserules to be made by GMs and players so that no two tables are the same. The adventures will have to be written to accommodate that. Players will not be able to show up to games and be sure their characters will work with the group that they sit with, or even be effective in the scenario presented.
You may disagree, but I find it untenable.
My personal decisions in games would effect nobody by the circle of people I know. Ive been quietly begging for nearly 2 years to play an restricted campaign and Ive achieve nothing.
They actually value your approval so they can go to Gencon. So a vague council of people I have never met decided its a fair idea to deny me the right to make choices I wish despite them being officially released by the makers of Pathfinder.
Im tired of appealing to this Council. You just so thoroughly unreasonable well I already stated how talking to you is depressing.
Close this thread please.
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Several years ago I would have felt certain at this point that we're being trolled but these days I genuinely have no idea. Assuming that this isn't a troll:
No one is telling you to get lost. They are telling you that the people in charge of Organized Play are not going to make these changes that you seek. Not because they want to 'harm you' but because such a style of play does not fit the stated vision for Pathfinder Society Organized Play. There is nothing wrong with this. Organized Play never made any claims that it would appeal to every possible style of gaming. In light of this, people have been trying to gently suggest that perhaps you would be happier trying to find another game - either local or online - that doesn't operate under Pathfinder Society rules and is more permissive about what they allow. There is seriously no other possible answer that anyone can give to you. Pathfinder Society, as it is, would be a bad fit for you and possibly your friends based on your stated preferences for playing.
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So a vague council of people I have never met decided its a fair idea to deny me the right to make choices I wish despite them being officially released by the makers of Pathfinder.
You are welcome to make those choices with a group of like-minded individuals in a home game. I myself have run a home game with a Wild Rager Barbarian, a Vitalist from Dreamscarred Press, and the Automatic Bonus Progression for equipment. I just can't do it with PFS characters.
But I will respect your wishes and no longer reply to this thread henceforth.
If youre just going to keep saying I shouldnt play Pathfinder Society then please I am begging for links to non Pathfinder Society game groups.
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Tabletop RPG organized play is very well suited for a pretty wide array of adventure types, the most successful of which celebrate the entire group's accomplishments rather than those of a single player. By necessity, these scenarios can only cover a story of a certain size; we aim for an approximate word count to ensure there's enough time to develop, edit, and lay out the text. Those are certainly limitations, yet they're practical constraints that give everyone a chance to shine and within which we've told a huge number of stories with varied rewards (including being elevated to nobility, gaining one's own keep, winning an array of unique allies, etc.). We've even experimented with highly flexible formats as displayed in Pathfinder Society Scenario #8–07: From the Tome of Righteous Repose and the soon-to-be-released Pathfinder Society Scenario #9–09: Beyond the Halflight Path. As a note, though, this scenario style takes considerably more resources to produce that a typical adventure, providing practical limitations on how many we can afford to produce without damaging our other products' schedules.
ChaosTicket, I've read through this thread and am finding many of your concerns are ones you raised about 14 months ago. In reviewing my response on September 29, 2016 and my response on September 30, 2016, I find that much of it still holds true, even if the details are slightly different. I have also reviewed our correspondence through private messages shortly after that, and I find those points are also related and remain relevant.
This thread still open? Why?
This is just a clear back and forth of arguments from parties that cannot understand each other. I want to play with more freedom than one particular campaign allows. Im frustrated that is the only game available, and I am frustrated that I keep trying to appeal to Freedom over Order, I think?
People I havent broken your games. Stop treating me like I will destroy the world if you be ease up on semi-official campaign rules.
These threads are unhealthy for me. Youre never going to change for the better. Just getting personally invested just makes it worse when I reach the brick walls and I keep asking you to be nice.
