Bard inspire courage and belatedly summoned monsters


Rules Questions


Round 1 Bard inspired courage for party, sorcerer starts Summon Monster I spell.

Round 2, Sorcerer summons a Celestial Eagle, Bard maintains inspire courage.

Does the summoned Celestial Eagle get the benefits from Inspire Courage due to it being maintained by the bard (so the bard could include the eagle in round 2), or would the bard need to spend a standard action to "start over" and inspire courage, this time including the eagle among the allies.


The summoned creature is an ally in range of the effect, so it automatically gets the benefits.

(If, say, the eagle were deaf or in a silence zone, and the bard was doing an audible performance, it wouldn't get the benefit -- ditto for blind and a visual performance. But that's a minor note.)


yes, they automatically get the benefits assuming the bard views them as allies.


Any ally that can perceive the Bard's performance, whether they were able to perceive it start or not, gets the bonus (assuming not mindless etc.).

In point of fact, the Bard doesn't have the ability to exclude or include allies (except perhaps by whom he considers an ally). An invisible ally that made it to the conflict without the bard being aware of it, would gain the bonus.


Dave Justus wrote:

Any ally that can perceive the Bard's performance, whether they were able to perceive it start or not, gets the bonus (assuming not mindless etc.).

In point of fact, the Bard doesn't have the ability to exclude or include allies (except perhaps by whom he considers an ally). An invisible ally that made it to the conflict without the bard being aware of it, would gain the bonus.

So I don't think that mindless stops the main part of the bard's performance.


Chess Pwn wrote:
Dave Justus wrote:

Any ally that can perceive the Bard's performance, whether they were able to perceive it start or not, gets the bonus (assuming not mindless etc.).

In point of fact, the Bard doesn't have the ability to exclude or include allies (except perhaps by whom he considers an ally). An invisible ally that made it to the conflict without the bard being aware of it, would gain the bonus.

So I don't think that mindless stops the main part of the bard's performance.

Being mindless technically doesn't make you immune to bardic performances, but it does severely limit them. Mindless creatures are immune to mind-affecting effects, which include the fascinate, inspire courage, suggestion, dirge of doom, inspire greatness, inspire heroics, mass suggestion, and deadly performance options.

Mindless creature also don't get the full benefits from countersong (as they can't be affected by language-dependent effects, so countersong only removes the sonic-based effects) or from the distraction performance (all patterns are mind-affecting).

The only two performances that have their full effect are soothing performance and frightening tune (I don't think mindless creatures are immune to fear).


Look at that, I had remembered about how they don't need to understand the performance to get benefits, and I guess didn't remember that it's also mind affecting ability. Cool to know, sad for some players.


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The results change under Lingering Performance.
Only allies that are there to hear the performance are affected. When lingering, a newly summoned critter would not gain until the bard started again.

/cevah

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