Magus ranged spell combat, the Throwing enchant, and Spell Hurling


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Sczarni

Ever since Ranged Tactics Toolbox came out, I've wanted to make a character that made use of the Ricochet Toss feat and a Belt of Mighty Hurling. I also recently came into the possession of a Skinwalker boon for Pathfinder Society, so now I can't get the idea of a Crocodile-man slinging weapons at monsters out of my head. However, the throwing weapons rules are a mess...

First Question:

Can a Magus use thrown melee weapons as part of Spell Combat?

Relevant text: wrote:

Spell Combat (Ex):

At 1st level, a magus learns to cast spells and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions much like two-weapon fighting, but the off-hand weapon is a spell that is being cast. To use this ability, the magus must have one hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic components), while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand. As a full-round action, he can make all of his attacks with his melee weapon at a –2 penalty and can also cast any spell from the magus spell list with a casting time of 1 standard action (any attack roll made as part of this spell also takes this penalty)....

(Emphasis mine)

Second Question:

Is a Throwing weapon eligible for the Spell Hurling enchantment?

The Throwing Magus magus arcana seems to support that it does. Furthermore, the only entry into the CRB on weapons "designed to be thrown" is the following:

PRD wrote:

Thrown Weapons:

Daggers, clubs, shortspears, spears, darts, javelins, throwing axes, light hammers, tridents, shuriken, and nets are thrown weapons. The wielder applies his Strength modifier to damage dealt by thrown weapons (except for splash weapons). It is possible to throw a weapon that isn't designed to be thrown (that is, a melee weapon that doesn't have a numeric entry in the Range column on Table: Weapons), and a character who does so takes a –4 penalty on the attack roll. Throwing a light or one-handed weapon is a standard action, while throwing a two-handed weapon is a full-round action. Regardless of the type of weapon, such an attack scores a threat only on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit. Such a weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.

Which implies that the only thing that defines a weapon as 'designed to be thrown' is that it has a range increment, which is exactly what the Throwing enchant does.

Third and final question:

Can I use Spell Combat to cast a spell, deliver it as a spellstrike with my Spell Hurling weapon, then use my second attack to throw said weapon again with one hand using Ricochet Toss?


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Warning: Possible Pedantry Ahead

Carla the Profane wrote:


Which implies that the only thing that defines a weapon as 'designed to be thrown' is that it has a range increment, which is exactly what the Throwing enchant does.

"that it has a range increment in the range column on Table:Weapons"

Throwing doesn't cause the weapon to suddenly appear on that table.

HOWEVER: Since throwing does actually modify the weapon itself, I would say that RAI it should work. If, instead, there was a feat that allowed one to throw any weapon (even those not 'designed to be thrown') with a stated range increment, and someone had that feat, I would argue that any weapon they wield doesn't somehow become a weapon 'designed to be thrown'.


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Carla the Profane wrote:

Third and final question:

Can I use Spell Combat to cast a spell, deliver it as a spellstrike with my Spell Hurling weapon, then use my second attack to throw said weapon again with one hand using Ricochet Toss?

Spell Combat uses the wording "while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand" and "can make all of his attacks with his melee weapon". However, since your melee weapon has the Throwing weapon ability, it is BOTH a melee weapon AND a throwing weapon. It is possible that this was written without that possibility in mind.

Spell Strike uses "he can deliver the spell through any weapon he is wielding as part of a melee attack." This is why you need the aforementioned Spell Hurling weapon special ability.

So, as you wrote it, the answer to the third question might be "Not with only Spellstrike you can't, but you might with Spell Hurling". At least that's how I'd rule it.

Sczarni

Thanks a bunch, SlimGauge. All info helps here; anyone else wanna chime in to help me convince my GM?

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