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For the Crossfield class, when you get around to it:
The Crossfield class is clearly a destroyer to Constitution's heavy cruiser. It's smaller, with less draft, and rather obviously faster (even when we leave off the spore transwarp drive) and more agile. Armament is probably somewhat lighter than on Constitution, but probably also much heavier when accounting for tonnage.
And yes, until explicitly shown otherwise my conclusion based on the evidence is that the experimental transwarp drive Starfleet was testing on USS Excelsior was an attempt to replicate purely technologically the biotech-based spore drive from Discovery and Glenn from 40 years earlier.
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something to keep in mind on the some of the ships... going back to my Star Fleet Battles days, a lot of the Klingon ships could fire the disruptor banks forward AND straight aft
Yeah, like I said, a lot of this has to be taken with a grain of salt. The sizes and crew compliments don't match up. These are just my best approximations.
Additionally, like someone said, I use turrets to generally represent multiple phaser arrays/torpedo tubes.
For the Crossfield class, when you get around to it:
The Crossfield class is clearly a destroyer to Constitution's heavy cruiser. It's smaller, with less draft, and rather obviously faster (even when we leave off the spore transwarp drive) and more agile. Armament is probably somewhat lighter than on Constitution, but probably also much heavier when accounting for tonnage.
And yes, until explicitly shown otherwise my conclusion based on the evidence is that the experimental transwarp drive Starfleet was testing on USS Excelsior was an attempt to replicate purely technologically the biotech-based spore drive from Discovery and Glenn from 40 years earlier.
Honestly, Discovery is so out-of-place with the other Star Trek shows I consider it non-Cannon. Balance of terror makes it VERY clear that the ROMULANS were the first to develop a cloaking device, not the Klingons, and at this point in the timeline the Klingons should look like humans because of the Augment virus from Enterprise. I'll watch it because it is interesting, but it doesn't fit into the Star Trek timeline at all.
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something to keep in mind on the some of the ships... going back to my Star Fleet Battles days, a lot of the Klingon ships could fire the disruptor banks forward AND straight aft
Yeah, like I said, a lot of this has to be taken with a grain of salt. The sizes and crew compliments don't match up. These are just my best approximations.
Additionally, like someone said, I use turrets to generally represent multiple phaser arrays/torpedo tubes.
Honestly, Discovery is so out-of-place with the other Star Trek shows I consider it non-Cannon. Balance of terror makes it VERY clear that the ROMULANS were the first to develop a cloaking device, not the Klingons, and at this point in the timeline the Klingons should look like humans because of the Augment virus from Enterprise. I'll watch it because it is interesting, but it doesn't fit into the Star Trek timeline at all.For the Crossfield class, when you get around to it:
The Crossfield class is clearly a destroyer to Constitution's heavy cruiser. It's smaller, with less draft, and rather obviously faster (even when we leave off the spore transwarp drive) and more agile. Armament is probably somewhat lighter than on Constitution, but probably also much heavier when accounting for tonnage.
And yes, until explicitly shown otherwise my conclusion based on the evidence is that the experimental transwarp drive Starfleet was testing on USS Excelsior was an attempt to replicate purely technologically the biotech-based spore drive from Discovery and Glenn from 40 years earlier.
Canon is meant to be a guide, sir, not a straitjacket. The whole point of a literary canon is that it is open to additions, revisions, and reinterpretations.
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Hey, you'll get no argument from me. Slavish devotion to cannon can ruin a series or bog it down. At the same time if you don't pay any attintion to it then your audiance will wonder if you care about furthering the story at all, or respect the stories that came before. It all comes down to where you draw that line. For me, discovery crossed that line. If it didn't for you, that's fine.
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@kittyburger
Hey, you'll get no argument from me. Slavish devotion to cannon can ruin a series or bog it down. At the same time if you don't pay any attintion to it then your audiance will wonder if you care about furthering the story at all, or respect the stories that came before. It all comes down to where you draw that line. For me, discovery crossed that line. If it didn't for you, that's fine.
The Klingons have never been fully consistent, and I disagreed with the choice to give the DS9 lampshading of the difference in Klingon makeup a canon explanation at the time, so I don't see the difference in makeup as anything other than continuing evolution of the makeup that began with TMP.
The cloaking device... honestly the "ship" of redefining where cloaking technology originated already sailed during ENT (wherein, if you'll recall, the Romulans already had an imperfect-but-functional cloaking device), so I'm not seeing the problem here. Yes, "Balance of Terror" was a very good episode. It'd be a very good episode if we removed the very minor plot point that the Federation was encountering a cloaking device for the first time (hell, it was an adaptation of an extant movie plot, an actioner about a USN destroyer fighting a German submarine during World War II, and there was NOTHING new to the USN about submarines by 1941).
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I honestly don't know where you are going with this. There are just a million little things in Discovery that make it too non-cannonical for me to rationalize away. If that's not the case for you, great! Have fun. I still watch it, just in my mind it isn't cannon because for me, those plethora of little tiny things add up. I mean, I could sit here and make a list but I don't think it would do any of us any good. Suffice it to say it is more than just the shape of the Klingons and the cloaking device.
Seems like you are trying to start an arguement with me over nothing, but maybe I am misreading the situation. I'll probably do a variant of the discovery at some point (probably from episode 3, before they get the Spore drive fully operational)
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I honestly don't know where you are going with this. There are just a million little things in Discovery that make it too non-cannonical for me to rationalize away. If that's not the case for you, great! Have fun. I still watch it, just in my mind it isn't cannon because for me, those plethora of little tiny things add up. I mean, I could sit here and make a list but I don't think it would do any of us any good. Suffice it to say it is more than just the shape of the Klingons and the cloaking device.
Seems like you are trying to start an arguement with me over nothing, but maybe I am misreading the situation. I'll probably do a variant of the discovery at some point (probably from episode 3, before they get the Spore drive fully operational)
Well you responded to me with what in my experience is a rather combative nonsequitur (and honestly if someone decided that A Midsummer Night's Dream was not "canonical Shakespeare," because of inconsistencies with, say, Henry V Part II, they'd be laughed out of the room).
If inconsistencies were the mark of noncanon, half of Season 1 of TOS and most of Season 1 of TNG would be noncanon because they are WILDLY inconsistent with the general body of the show.
EDIT: Like, seriously. My comment was, "Hey, here's some observations I have about Star Trek Discovery and specifically the Discovery/Crossfield-class" and your response was fairly dismissive. That would be bothersome regardless of how worn and frustrating the subject is.
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Sorry. I didn't mean to be combative. I was just trying to say that I like taking Discovery as it's own show and not Star Trek because just how many inconsistencies there are. Just the sheer numbers makes it hard for me, personally, to ignore. But it's not worth arguing about and I'm certainly not trying to take enjoyment of the show away from others. I'll look into making the Discovery/Crossfield class.
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Okay, the Crossfield is up. Needed to make it Tier 14 just to fit all the stuff in it, like the biometric locks, a good computer, sealed environment chamber, etc. I would have preferred to put in an additional science lab (one for physical, one for biological) but I didn't want the thing to have NO cargo space. I also didn't want it to be a dreadnaught.
This is the ship with the absence of the 'ripper' (a.k.a. without a functioning spore drive.)
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ummm, not to beat a dead horse.
but you could get past how the klingons look if you want to go with ST:O's early missions that deal with Tom and b'lona's( hell cant spell it) daughter that involves her being kidnapped and took to the past to develop the cure for enterprise era virus/disease that caused the klingon's tos look. ( also in said game is that the klingons stole the cloaking tech from the romulans)
not really canon either.
though Roddenberry wouldnt consider it canon either, the wiki also stated that he didnt plan on keeping it his after he died....
moving on.
edit: what do you think does Discovery = SEction 31????
I think it's too many people to be all section 31, but I think section 31 definitely had something to do with setting it up.
Even a full-blooded Vulcan looks more like a half-elf than a full elf.
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I checked them. You could maybe do some more of the klingon ships, even though the Bird of Prey is the most prevalent, there are still at least three other ships I can remember of the top of my head.
Vor'cha Cruiser
Negh'var Battleship
Raptor Scout
Just a thought.
If it wasn't already clear I also love your non-fed ships.
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I checked them. You could maybe do some more of the klingon ships, even though the Bird of Prey is the most prevalent, there are still at least three other ships I can remember of the top of my head.
Vor'cha Cruiser
Negh'var Battleship
Raptor ScoutJust a thought.
If it wasn't already clear I also love your non-fed ships.
The problem with those ships is the cloaking device. There are just no rules for the cloak. The best I could do was jack up the countermeasures (Increasing their TL and difficulty to scan) but I never really liked that solution. I’ll look into it.
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I did just add some more non-federation ships. The Dominion attack ship, and the Cardassian's Keldon heavy cruiser.
I should note that I've noticed the AC and TLs are not right for many of the ships. Half of them seem to include the pilot's ranks in piloting to the AC/TL, and half do not. So anyone wanting to use these ships will have to recalculate the TL based on the armor/TL ratings given in the building stat blocks provided.