Guardian Monument and Floating Disk


Rules Questions


Guardian Monument, Greater wrote:


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Components V, S, F (an unattended, non-magical object)
EFFECT
Range touch
Area 40-ft. radius from touched object or 60-ft. radius from touched object; see text
DESCRIPTION
You touch an unattended, non-magical object to create a touchstone for humans defending the area. Such human defenders are protected by a shimmering aura as long as they are in the area.
The spell grants each subject damage reduction 4/magic. Humans who leave the area and reenter regain the damage reduction.
The spell is suppressed if the object is moved from its place, but resumes if the object is put back. Its duration continues to elapse while it is suppressed this way.
Normally, the area of effect is 40 feet from the touched object.
If the touched object is a monument to human achievement, the area increases to a 60-foot radius.
Floating Disk wrote:


School evocation [force]; Level sorcerer/wizard 1
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S, M (a drop of mercury)
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Effect 3-ft.-diameter disk of force
Duration 1 hour/level
Saving Throw none; Spell Resistance no
You create a slightly concave, circular plane of force that follows you about and carries loads for you. The disk is 3 feet in diameter and 1 inch deep at its center. It can hold 100 pounds of weight per caster level. If used to transport a liquid, its capacity is 2 gallons. The disk floats approximately 3 feet above the ground at all times and remains level. It floats along horizontally within spell range and will accompany you at a rate of no more than your normal speed each round. If not otherwise directed, it maintains a constant interval of 5 feet between itself and you. The disk winks out of existence when the spell duration expires. The disk also winks out if you move beyond its range or try to take the disk more than 3 feet away from the surface beneath it. When the disk winks out, whatever it was supporting falls to the surface beneath it.

Would putting the "unattended, non-magical object" on a Floating Disk and then casting GMG on it allow the item to be moved and still work?

What if you cast GMG on an item on a moving ship, would it work?


1. Nope; you're still moving it from its place. It doesn't matter whether you put it on a floating disk or a chariot.
2. Ships are weird, and most of the rules about ships and their status (or lack thereof) as places originally came from Skull & Shackles. Most spell effects that rely on a fixed location either fail or require scrying or line of sight to ascertain the current location of the ship. Fixed entrances to extradimensional spaces do not move with the ship. The conclusion I'd draw is that in most cases ships are considered moving, and the stuff on them is also moving.

Edit: Moving the planet, however, ought to work fine. : )


Thanks for the response.


blahpers wrote:


Edit: Moving the planet, however, ought to work fine. : )

What if the planet is a really tiny planet with an ioun stone core?


toastedamphibian wrote:
blahpers wrote:


Edit: Moving the planet, however, ought to work fine. : )
What if the planet is a really tiny planet with an ioun stone core?

House rule: If you and the monument are scaled down sufficiently to be effectively trapped in the really tiny planet's gravitational reference frame, then I'll totally allow it.


So, befriend awakened dust mites. I... would totally play that character. A microscopic buff caster, chilling on a friends Ioun stone? Just got to make sure my buddie is named Horton.


Valandil Ancalime wrote:
Thanks for the response.

If you consider that for "moving" means any kind of movement, the spell would always do nothing unless you place the monument on a continent with perfectly still tectonic plates, on a planet that is not moving through the firmament, in a universe that is not expanding... So, your GM will have to rule at "what mobility point" the monument is considered as "still in place"

I'd say Guardian Monument would function or not based on the covered tactical area. If the battlefield area is comparatively larger (in tactical view/square terms) so the monument covers a "fixed area" of that battlefield, then the monument works.

This would mean, if you place the monument in a floating disk and move the disk, the squares the monument covers change so it would stop functioning. But if you place the monument on a large enough mobile object (like a large ship), as long as the monument keeps protecting the same fixed area of the ship, a GM might perfectly rule the monument works in that particular scenario, even if the ship is moving.


I'm the DM and a player wants to put an "unattended, non-magical object" on a Floating Disk and then casting GMG on it. I looked online but found no threads about this topic, so I wanted some unbiased opinions on the matter. Thanks for the input. I will say no to the GGM+FD idea.

The ship part was me taking the next logical step of what constitutes movement. Btw, I don't have the Skull & Shackles module where they have the ship rules.


You can find the needed rules on the SRD.
Spell Effects in Naval Combat

A number of spells have a line like: The effects of this spell move with a ship if it is anchored to the ship.

I would rule an object on the ship would count the same as one on land. The ship moving would not affect the object's being active.

/cevah

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