Sure.
If it was a one time thing that was used on the spot and it is at a reduced level, as described in the spell description.
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I don'think you're going to get a RAW answer for this. The limited wish description makes this decision entirely subjective and up to the GM.
A limited wish lets you create nearly any type of effect. For example, a limited wish can do any of the following things.
Duplicate any sorcerer/wizard spell of 6th level or lower, provided the spell does not belong to one of your opposition schools.
Duplicate any non-sorcerer/wizard spell of 5th level or lower, provided the spell does not belong to one of your opposition schools.
Duplicate any sorcerer/wizard spell of 5th level or lower, even if it belongs to one of your opposition schools.
Duplicate any non-sorcerer/wizard spell of 4th level or lower, even if it belongs to one of your opposition schools.
Undo the harmful effects of many spells, such as insanity.
Produce any other effect whose power level is in line with the above effects, such as a single creature automatically hitting on its next attack or taking a -7 penalty on its next saving throw.
The last sentence allows limited wish to do anything of comparable power to the other things listed. Since there's no comparable power chart to reference, the GM will have to make a judgement call.
Personally, I would say that is beyond the scope of limited wish, since arcane and divine magic are completely different in virtually every way. I would say a wish would be necessary for a divine caster to learn an arcane spell as if it were divine.
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Sure.
If it was a one time thing that was used on the spot and it is at a reduced level, as described in the spell description.
I don't think that matches the question being asked, though. A wizard could cast a 4th level or lower divine spell using limited wish, but that's not the same as a wizard casting limited wish to allow his cleric buddy to cast something like fireball. I suppose I'd allow that scenario as a GM, because I'm all for my players wasting resources, but I don't think that's what the OP wanted to know, either.
I don't think that matches the question being asked, though. A wizard could cast a 4th level or lower divine spell using limited wish, but that's not the same as a wizard casting limited wish to allow his cleric buddy to cast something like fireball. I suppose I'd allow that scenario as a GM, because I'm all for my players wasting resources, but I don't think that's what the OP wanted to know, either.Sure.
If it was a one time thing that was used on the spot and it is at a reduced level, as described in the spell description.
I know that's not what he asked for.
But that is both A. What a typical GM would do for a (Limited) Wish spell, and B. What the (Limited) Wish spell is actually capable of doing, which is a one-time use of a chosen spell. Simply transferring the castability from one caster to another doesn't really change it all that much.
Demanding an effect far greater than that will be something that both no sane GM would allow, and will most likely result in the tearing of the cosmos itself from the game breaking if the GM permitted it.
I'm just telling the player now, through sub-text, that (Limited) Wish is a trap spell. It's extremely sub-par, and is prone for abuse (on both ends of the spectrum), meaning you might as well not even have it in the game.
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(Limited) Wish is a trap spell
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One of the most powerful arcane spells in the rulebooks is a trap spell? Well, maybe if you use it to cast create pit.
(Limited) Wish is a trap spello_O
One of the most powerful arcane spells in the rulebooks is a trap spell? Well, maybe if you use it to cast create pit.
I already explained why it's a trap spell, but I'll go into further detail expanding what I already said.
It's extremely sub-par, and is prone for abuse (on both ends of the spectrum), meaning you might as well not even have it in the game.
So, I stated that it's extremely sub-par.
The reason it's extremely sub-par is because Wizards have access to every Arcane spell in the game, which means the odds of them needing a Wish spell is very corner-case, since the odds of them having the necessary spells is pretty damn good, even assuming average spell lists. Unless the situation calls for a powerful Divine spell, they won't need it. Even if it does, a lot of common powerful Divine spells are available via Summoning/Binding that the Wizard can use with his "lesser" spell slots.
Sorcerers on the other hand, will be too crippled to make proper use of it, and instead turn it into a necessary crutch. So, a Sorcerer having to use Wish on a regular basis (probably due to their limited spells known and relative limitation on scrolls), won't have hardly any money for improving their character due to the ridiculous cost that's tacked onto it. Needless to say, Wish (even it's Limited form) is too expensive to cast on a regular basis, something which a Sorcerer who does have this spell will have to do much more often than a Wizard would.
The next part is that it's prone for abuse. Sno-Cone Wish Machines. Vengeful Dick-Move "Scry and Fry" GMs. I really don't need to be saying much more than that to convey this point properly (in that it's both something that players and GMs abuse to the point of breaking the game into something that is very unfun).
Another part I failed to mention is that there is very little to expand upon it with. The list should be considered inclusive, in the sense that you can't really get any variations of its usage, for fear of the first two reasons I stated prior. Unfortunately, even if you consider the inclusive list, the spell becomes extremely lackluster due to its reduced overall power level.
Once you apply all of these, all you get is a "flexible" spell slot that is very limited in its scope, and is actually weaker than certain options available to certain casters, especially if they are likely to acquire such a spell through another source (i.e. Summons).
So, there you have it. Wish is a trap. Miracle is less so a trap, but still has a lot of the pitfalls that Wish does.
so if u guys r saying that in order for the request to fully like a (lvl 4 spell) happen it has to be a full wish spell? what if the request come at a price that the divine caster would forsake a divine spell of the equivalent lvl?
Actually, what we're saying is that the entire request altogether is too powerful for any spell to accomplish. You would need a deity to grant that sort of power. And they can, considering how Domain spells work.
In other words, that's outside the scope of the spell (both Limited and regular), and falls into GM FIAT. So, unless the GM gives you the thumbs up, it's not gonna happen.
Even if he does, I can assure you he's got something behind his screen that has "SCREW THAT PLAYER AT X MOMENT" written across it, meaning you're paying a lot more for it than you originally bargained for. And it will probably end up TPKing you.
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so if u guys r saying that in order for the request to fully like a (lvl 4 spell) happen it has to be a full wish spell? what if the request come at a price that the divine caster would forsake a divine spell of the equivalent lvl?
What we're saying is:
1. No, you can't use limited wish to allow a divine caster to permanently learn an arcane spell of any level, regardless of any penalties the divine caster's player may tell the GM they would accept (though it then falls to GM fiat; expect most GMs to say, "Nope").
2. You could use limited wish to allow a divine caster to cast an arcane spell of 4th level or lower one time, immediately after the limited wish is cast, but that would be an insane waste of resources, when the wizard could just cast the arcane spell in question.
3. The request specifically would fall into the final sentence of the 9th level wish spell's description:
You may try to use a wish to produce greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. (The wish may pervert your intent into a literal but undesirable fulfillment or only a partial fulfillment, at the GM’s discretion.)
And, as Darksol points out, opens the game to all sorts of abuse.
Using wish in this way is going to cause any GM worth the name (particularly if they played D&D and/or AD&D 1st or 2nd Ed.) to twist the request's fulfillment for their own perverse enjoyment. For example, if the request was to allow the party cleric to cast fireball, I'd immediately drop their cleric level by 5 and add 5 levels of wizard, give them a spellbook with 300 pages full of 100 copies of fireball as well as making them a fallen cleric requiring an atonement and a quest to regain their deity's favor. For truly epic-level screwing, the GM could also give the newly minted cleric/wizard a mental block that allows them to ONLY cast fireball, because cleric Terry wanted to take the easy way to casting an arcane spell. (Alternatively, make it sorcerer 6 with only one spell known...)
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*fades into bushes*
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so if u guys r saying that in order for the request to fully like a (lvl 4 spell) happen it has to be a full wish spell? what if the request come at a price that the divine caster would forsake a divine spell of the equivalent lvl?Actually, what we're saying is that the entire request altogether is too powerful for any spell to accomplish. You would need a deity to grant that sort of power. And they can, considering how Domain spells work.
On that note, a miracle from the divine caster's deity might be appropriate, particularly if the spell in question fits the deity's interests.
