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I was just thinking of how Belphegor is the devil who gives people ideas for inventions and methods with which to become wealthy -- so as to corrupt them in laziness.
On some level, it sounds a bit like what has happened in Taldor during the beginning of their decline.
Taldor was great -- it was ambitious and driven and inventive. Then, perhaps as a result of their successes, became complacent in their accomplishments and arrogant in their self-perception. One could call the Taldane leaders lazy.
Could Belphegor (a Duke or Prince of Hell, at least, were Paizo to publish him) have a hand in Taldor's decline?
More importantly, is there any easy lead-in to including Belphegor in the upcoming Adventure Path, War for the Crown?!
I could certainly see Belphegor cultists having corrupted Stavian, peripherally or tangentially, though not fully. And I could see other high-society nobles and Royal officers be corrupted with the laziness that comes with success, by cultists of Belphegor.
Would a Belphegor cult fit well in the second and third books of the AP, where the PCs are working for Eutropia and learning of the problems Taldor faces? Couldn't Belphegor be a centuries-old problem, hitherto undiscovered by anyone, in the War for the Crown?
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Couple things:
1) If Belphegor doesn't already appear in Pathfinder, I certainly doubt they're going to throw him in now. Especially with any rank of importance - those ranks of devilkind are already filled to bursting. (The role you're describing sounds perfect for Mammon, though.)
2) More importantly... after all the Cheliax stuff they've done recently, I highly doubt that devils will play any significant role in War For The Crown. After all the waiting, the last thing they would want is for Taldor to come off as recycling Chelaxian themes.
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Agreed with Gorbacz. There's always something dissatisfying when corrupt leaders are absolved because "the devil made me do it".
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However, a "whisperer demon" is a plot idea which I'd love to see somewhere in Golarion, because it kind of throws upside down the "demons = brutes, devils = subtelty" trope. I'm not sure if Taldor is the best place for that, though.
Probably not for this AP, but Succubi says HI!
When will we get something that really shows how kooky fun Qlippoth can be!
Anyone can smash or trick people, but to really dig in and rot it from the inside out, that takes Skillz™.
Which we have in spades. ^-¥
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However, a "whisperer demon" is a plot idea which I'd love to see somewhere in Golarion, because it kind of throws upside down the "demons = brutes, devils = subtelty" trope. I'm not sure if Taldor is the best place for that, though.Probably not for this AP, but Succubi says HI!
NOT THAT KIND OF WHISPERS! DIRTY RYSKY! SO DIRTY! ;-)
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NOT THAT KIND OF WHISPERS! DIRTY RYSKY! SO DIRTY! ;-)However, a "whisperer demon" is a plot idea which I'd love to see somewhere in Golarion, because it kind of throws upside down the "demons = brutes, devils = subtelty" trope. I'm not sure if Taldor is the best place for that, though.Probably not for this AP, but Succubi says HI!
^w^
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^w^NOT THAT KIND OF WHISPERS! DIRTY RYSKY! SO DIRTY! ;-)However, a "whisperer demon" is a plot idea which I'd love to see somewhere in Golarion, because it kind of throws upside down the "demons = brutes, devils = subtelty" trope. I'm not sure if Taldor is the best place for that, though.Probably not for this AP, but Succubi says HI!
There is already some reference to Nyarlathotep having some influence on Taldor. Especially the failed Armies of Expansion. That is what I think could be pretty cool.
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Golarion has way too many <<evil outsiders are behind why the place is gone bonkers>> countries to add another one, IMHO. Cheliax, Worldwound, Irrisen, Nidal, it would be refereshing to see Taldor's problem caused solely by humans being humans.
+1 one gagillion Just pure unadulterated human avarice!
If I was to add Belphegor to Pathfinder, I would probably adapt him around his interpretation in Laird Barron's fiction, which would put him as a demon lord or Great Old One.
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That fits, too.
I'm going to look closely at vol's 2 & 3 when they come out to see if there is an appropriate place to put him.
I easily see, now that it's been pointed out, why Paizo can't include Another Devil or Demon, but for my group that hasn't done CoT or HR, HV or any other heavy- Hells or Abyss elements, having Belphegor play a role in WftC makes sense.
We'll see if it also fits.