Enervation & Metamagic Feats: Is this combination allowed?


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I have:
Mythic Enervation: 1d6 instead of 1d4
Spell Perfection: Maximized
Arcane Metamastery 1+2: Metamagic Feats up till +2 does not heigten spellslots anymore

I am also holding a Greater Rod of Thanatopic

Now I cast:

Quicken (+4) : Enervation (4) (Maximized) + Empopwered -> Level 4 Spell (Spelllevel: 8)
Standard : Enervation (4) (Maximized) + Empopwered -> Level 4 Spell (Spelllevel: 4)

Is it possible to cast Enervation this way with all the Metamagic Feats?
Do both spells benefit from the Thanatopic Rod?


Not sure about the rest but I have had GMs tell me that a metamagic rod can only be applied once per round. I don't see any RAW to support that, but also none to negate it, so perhaps expect table variation on at least that point.

The Exchange

I'm not sure what "Metamastery 1+2" is. Are you referring to the "Arcane Metamastery" archmage mythic path ability that you have taken twice or three times?

If so, then no it doesn't work that way.

Arcane Metamastery lets you pick a particular Metamagic feat and for one minute you can apply it without increasing the casting time or level. It doesn't apply to all Metamagic feats at once. So you could pick "empowered" and add it without increasing the level. But quicken and maximize would have their normal effects (+7 levels total).

You can use the rod on two spells a round but it will count as two of the daily uses of the rod.

Or did you mean to write "Spell Perfection: Maximized" instead of "Spell Penetration: Maximized?" (Which as far as I know isn't a thing.)

If so, then it still doesn't work. When you apply Spell Perfection you still can't go above what (would be) 9th level. So enervate (4) + Quicken (4) + Empower (metamastery 0) = 8. Even though Maximize wouldn't increase the slot you use it would bring the modified total to 11. Which is not allowed.


Sorry, you are right. I meant Spell Perfection (EDITED). And as you have assumed Metamastery is the Archmage Path Ability "Arcane Metamastery" (Edited).

I am not getting who you get from 8 to 11 in your last sentence. Spell Perfection says:

"Whenever you cast that spell you may apply any one metamagic feat you have to that spell without affecting its level as long as the total modified level of the spell does not use a spell slot above 9th level."

This looks like it is count as

Quicken (4) + Enervation (4) + Maximized (3) = 11

Isn't Maximized substracted beforehand due to spell perfection and the description says that I cannot go over 9 afterwards?

If it really would be 11 then I am not sure what it is good for at all. Maybe for saving high level slots but as a mythic character with wild arcana this is not really important at all.

btw.: Thanks for pointing out that Arcane Metamastery can only be applied to one particular Metamaic feat. I have not had that in mind anymore.


The modified level BEFORE you spell perfection free metamagic can't be over 9th.

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