I haven't seen any threads specifically calling this out so here it is:
If you are holding a double weapon with the training enchantment on each end do you gain the feat on both ends? Do you gain both feats when not using it as a double weapon? (such as using it as a two-handed weapon)
As written, if the double weapon is "drawn and in-hand", then yes, both function. That is, unless this eventually gets ruled a "use-activated" property like Defending, in that case only the end in use would function.
That is, unless this eventually gets ruled a "use-activated" property like Defending, in that case only the end in use would function.
Lets hope not. It would suck to have Weapon Finesse that only activates AFTER you've made your attack...
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This now has like 4 active threads asking the same question.
I'd think of it as use activated by "intend to use".
So if you hold it out of combat, you have the feats.
If you don't intend to use it as a double weapon you don't get both feats.
I see the "drawn and in hand" as "going to be used in combat soon".
That is, unless this eventually gets ruled a "use-activated" property like Defending, in that case only the end in use would function.Lets hope not. It would suck to have Weapon Finesse that only activates AFTER you've made your attack...
Well, it would activate for that attack. That is, the DECLARATION of the attack would be enough to activate it, so you would get the benefit of finesse for that attack.
Let me also restate that, as currently written, I believe that "drawn and in-hand" is currently the only activation requirement. Many of our discussions boil down to "Is this particular case covered by 'drawn and in-hand'?".
Well, it would activate for that attack. That is, the DECLARATION of the attack would be enough to activate it, so you would get the benefit of finesse for that attack.
That's not how it works though. If you declare an attack and are somehow prevented from making that attack you have to go back in time and revoke that feat you tried to use because you haven't 'used' the weapon as intended YET. The defending FAQ is really, really bad...
I see the "drawn and in hand" as "going to be used in combat soon".
I see it as 'able to attack if given the chance'. "Going to be used in combat soon" is a bit metagamey and is using a metric that you can't possibly know for activation. For instance, why does my swords abilities stop working because I have to use a thrown weapon at a flying creature the sword can't hit? Now what about the off hand weapon I'm "going to be used in combat soon" if I'm disarmed or I charge and can only make an attack with the main weapon? Looking for intent instead of actual tangible events leads to screwy results...
I think the wording probably should be changed, i can just imagine an alchemist taking all the extra appendage discoveries to hold weapons and gain feats. Now make them all quarterstaves and he's got potentially two or three characters worth of extra feats... Expensive as hell, but entirely possible.
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The goal of the "drawn and in hand" wording was likely to limit it to one or two active training abilities per normal humanoid character (assuming it doesn't work like 'bane' with each feat from training treated as a separate special ability and thus stackable on a single weapon).
Thus, allowing it on each end of a double weapon held in both hands would likely be a reasonable implementation.