Several special materials require or have the Masterwork price by default. It affects their price but only means they are in fact Masterwork which is glossed over.
In the special materials they say the Armor Penalty is reduced up to -0 so I would say all the Armor Penalties stack, including from Armor Training class feature.
Generally I would say the Armor Check penalties reductions would stack. The real question I have is in regards to Mithril. It counts as Masterwork and has it included in the price so you dont have to buy Mithril+Masterwork. Mithril reduces the armor check penalty and so does Masterwork.
So would Mithril armor have a (3+1) -4 reduction to the Armor Check Penalty from the special material and being Masterwork stack?
No, the masterwork benefit is included in the mithril's -3 already.
If you look at the stats for elven chain in the specific armor section of magic items, the masterwork and mithral bonuses do not stack.
Because it makes me laugh Ill point something out.
Elven Chain magic armor is worse than a Mithril Chainmail. I would like to think its because the Elven Chain came out without the rules for Mithril as a Special material. I know that isnt the case as the Chainmail armor and Mithril as a material are in the core rulebook.
I dont think its specifically stated to be using the Mithril rules, its just Mithril-ish. a Mithril Chainmail would be almost the same, but higher AC and actually cheaper.
Celestial Armor is also a chainmail magic armor but considerably better than the Elven Chain. It doesnt mention Mithril at all.
I do wonder if Specific Magic Armors can be upgraded to have higher enhancement bonuses?
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Because it makes me laugh Ill point something out.
Elven Chain magic armor is worse than a Mithril Chainmail. I would like to think its because the Elven Chain came out without the rules for Mithril as a Special material. I know that isnt the case as the Chainmail armor and Mithril as a material are in the core rulebook.
I dont think its specifically stated to be using the Mithril rules, its just Mithril-ish. a Mithril Chainmail would be almost the same, but higher AC and actually cheaper.
Celestial Armor is also a chainmail magic armor but considerably better than the Elven Chain. It doesnt mention Mithril at all.
Elven chain has the exact same armor stats as mithral chainmail and states "is made of very fine mithral links". I'm assuming you're calling it "worse" because of the price? The price is justified because it differs from mithral chainmail in that it actually counts as light armour in every way (proficiency and for the brawling enchantment) whereas mithral chainmail only is only counting as light armor for purposes of movement and other limitations, but the actual category of armor type isn't changed.
If that's not convincing enough, you can look at the mithral full plate of speed, it has an armor check penalty of -3, so that's an example of outrightly stated magical mithral armor with only a total 3 reduction of armor check penalty.
No one mentioned celestial armor for their arguments, so I'm not sure how mentioning a specific armour that's more expensive and better than mithral chainmail or elven chain is supposed to be an argument for mithral armor check penalty stacking with masterwork or not.
I do wonder if Specific Magic Armors can be upgraded to have higher enhancement bonuses?
For improving magic armors, in home games if GMs are cool with it, pay the difference in upgraded armor and previous version.
In PFS, specific magic weapons/armours can't be upgraded, but non-magical specific weapons/armour can be.
I do wonder if Specific Magic Armors can be upgraded to have higher enhancement bonuses?
No, but...
GM can agree it.
GM gets to price it.
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I do wonder if Specific Magic Armors can be upgraded to have higher enhancement bonuses?No, but...
GM can agree it.
GM gets to price it.
I don't agree. Certainly (for instance) if a PC has Craft Magic Arms and Armor, they could spend the appropriate time and materials to increase the enhancement bonus on an existing item. There's nothing suggesting that pre-built unique armors are exempt from upgrades. Since the Pathfinder rules generally spell out what you can do, seeing that the rules provide for upgrading items, that's sufficient to turn this into a "yes".
I think.
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There's no set way to know the price.
Awesome sword of awesome is +1 and has cool ability price 8000gp. Is the awesome ability equal to a +1 cost or a flat 6000gp cost? Nothing in the rules tells us how to figure this out, so by the rules it ask the GM how to do it.
So, if I want to craft a Mithril chain shirt in game, what's the DC? Masterwork items are DC 20, but only for the MW cost, so is it DC20 for 1500 SP, then DC14 (Armor bonus +10) for the remaining 11,000 SP?
Or does the one or the other apply to the whole cost?
The special material (in this case mithril) part is the masterwork part, and costs 1,000gp for a chain shirt. So you would have to work at DC 20 for 10,000 sp, then the 1,000 sp for the base item at DC 14.
If you had a +10 bonus, it would take you just over 28 and a half weeks to make the shirt, or basically half a year. Say you get masterwork tools and enough apprentices for help to get you to a +20 bonus (letting you accelerate the work by +10 DC), you would have it done in exactly 12.5 weeks, or just around 3 months.
Important to note is that even just pooping out a regular non-masterwork chain shirt with the "masterwork studio and apprentices" setup would take around a week and 2 days, which is pretty standard to real life examples where armor studios could make a full chainmail in sometimes as quick as 2 weeks.