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So I'm running into an issue where I am getting spells before I should. Now before I go into specifics I would like to bring up the only thing I can find on the subject. There is a FAQ for the aquatic sorcerer bloodline giving the spell geyser before it would normally be available. It gives a normally level 5 spell when you could only cast level 4 spells, the FAQ says you then get geyser as a lv 4 spell.
The FAQ reads exactly as: Is the aquatic sorcerer bloodline supposed to get geyser as a bonus spell at sorcerer level 9, even though that’s normally a 5th-level sorcerer/wizard spell and unavailable to sorcerers before caster level 10?
Yes, and the sorcerer learns it as a 4th-level spell. Note that geyser is also a 4th-level druid spell (available at character level 7), so the aquatic sorcerer gaining it at character level 9 as a 4th-level arcane spell isn’t too powerful.
Now I have a level 14 gnome, blackened life oracle8/summoner 6. The level at which my curse counts as is 8+4+3=15. Now by FAQ, a class given spell is cast as the highest level spell slot you currently have, for example, the life oracle is given neutralize poison at level 6 as a third level spell instead of a fourth level due to it being given as a class bonus spell. But there is a bit of difference between getting geyser as a 4th instead of 5th compared to a 7th as a 4th. So what do you guys think? Should you get the spell as the lowest your current spell allows? should you not be able to use it until you have an appropriate level spell slot? Should you ignore the favored class bonus when determining what level you cast it? I'd love to get an official say, but until then I'm just going to not use the spells.
You forgot to provide context, so I am left assuming that you are referring to how the Blackened Curse for oracles grants spells known as you level up; specifically how it grants delayed blast fireball at level 15.
Now, a lot of class text, a whole whole lot of it, is written with the assumption that you are leveling in only a single class at a time. As such, the Blackened Curse provides you with delayed blast fireball at level 15, when a mono class oracle is able to cast 7th level spells. So the intention is clearly to allow you to gain it as a 7th level spell known.
The reason geyser needed a FAQ is because, were it going off being a 5th level spell, a mono class sorcerer could not cast it the same level he learned it. So it was clarified that it is being cast as a 4th level spell.
A mono class oracle doesn't have this issue with the Blackened Curse, so gaining spells known that you cannot cast is a price of multiclassing.
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While delayed is the example I used, what about wall of fire? The entire curse bonus spell system doesn't work well. An oracle who takes just straight oracle levels, without having a favored class bonus, gets wall of fire at lv 10 sure we then assume that it is given at the highest level in which it could be cast, giving you a 5th level wall of fire spell. So sure that's fine, but then let's factor in the gnome FCB, for the curse we would then be level 15. So are we just to assume that the extra levels would be a complete waste?
I guess my issue is that I was already running into these issues with my pure oracle, i.e. Neutralize poison is given at level 6 without the ability to cast it, and now that I'm multiclassed and have used favored class bonuses the issues have compounded. If this were an issue with every curse that would be one thing, but all I'm getting different from a 10d6 fireball at cl3 is a +1 to the dc of the reflex save as opposed to a +4 and then the damage cap would be removed on a fireball spell. Compare that to some of the other curse abilities like a DC 22 check to have the attacker's weapon turn to dust or being immune to exhaustion. I guess I just feel that it should work that way, because unless you are haunted or blackened then there is no punishment for multi-classing and the gnome favored class bonus can let you get level abilities even faster.
What am I missing that you have an effective level of 15 for your curse?
8 for oracle level. +4 for taking gnome FCB each time you took a level in oracle. Taking levels in summoner grants nothing as summoner is not your favored class - you only get the FCB bonuses when you take a level in the favored class.
The rest of your question is still a fair question, as an oracle 10 taking the FCB each time would count as level 15. So you are two levels ahead on getting DBFireball - but yes you do get it as a 5th level spell with all the pros and cons that brings.
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What am I missing that you have an effective level of 15 for your curse?
8 for oracle level. +4 for taking gnome FCB each time you took a level in oracle. Taking levels in summoner grants nothing as summoner is not your favored class - you only get the FCB bonuses when you take a level in the favored class.
The rest of your question is still a fair question, as an oracle 10 taking the FCB each time would count as level 15. So you are two levels ahead on getting DBFireball - but yes you do get it as a 5th level spell with all the pros and cons that brings.
Curses advance at half level when taking other classes. So I have 6 other class levels which is 3 more to my curse level
Curses advance at half level when taking other classes. So I have 6 other class levels which is 3 more to my curse levelWhat am I missing that you have an effective level of 15 for your curse?
8 for oracle level. +4 for taking gnome FCB each time you took a level in oracle. Taking levels in summoner grants nothing as summoner is not your favored class - you only get the FCB bonuses when you take a level in the favored class.
The rest of your question is still a fair question, as an oracle 10 taking the FCB each time would count as level 15. So you are two levels ahead on getting DBFireball - but yes you do get it as a 5th level spell with all the pros and cons that brings.
Thanks. Figured I'd forgotten something.