Secret classes


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


There have been a lot of releases lately that play around with spell lists, and grant other class features. While some are very much pointed out, some aren't so much widely known.

Dandy (Ranger) + VMC Bard = Full BAB equivalent of the bard

Child of Acavna and Amaznen (Fighter) + VMC Magus = Full BAB equivalent of the magus/ INT based prepared counterpart to the Bloodrager (Note: the class functions much better with the Combat Tricks optional rule from Pathfinder Unchained)

Questioner -> INT based Bard

Slayer + VMC Rogue = Full BAB version of the Rogue with better class features (debatable as legal given Sneak Attack language)

What other combinations have you guys found that essentially creates a class niche that you've been missing?


Out of curiosity, where does Questioner come from? I'm not having any luck finding it.


Aimless wrote:
Out of curiosity, where does Questioner come from? I'm not having any luck finding it.

Magic Tactics Toolbox.


master_marshmallow wrote:
Aimless wrote:
Out of curiosity, where does Questioner come from? I'm not having any luck finding it.
Magic Tactics Toolbox.

Ah, found it, thanks.


VMC stands for what?


zainale wrote:

VMC stands for what?

Variant Multiclassing

Also, prefer the Psychic Detective to the Questioner, but both are nice.

The Dandy/Bard isn't really equivalent since you are still only getting 4 levels of spellcasting.

Have to look at those other two... they at least sound intriguing. We haven't tinkered with VMC much yet.


Varian Multiclassing, an optional rule variant from Unchained that lets you pick up secondary class features in place of half your regular feat progression. Most of the time it doesn't mesh well, but with the classes listed there are actual benefits to having those options available.

Fighters can pick up magus arcana for instance, allowing them to either improve accuracy, or add utility spells to their spellbook.

Dandy rangers can pick up bardic performance, which they can use other spells with (Virtuoso performance) and have multiple performances up simultaneously.

Slayers would get everything they are missing from the rogue chassis, while retaining full sneak attack and BAB progression (debatable, given sneak attack's ability to stack with itself, which is usually).


ohh i was thinking of making a summoner VMCing with oracle.

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