What does that mean for states like Maryland?
Keep in mind that an accurate well run census will probably result in more Democratic representation in Congress, which is something the current majority party isn't really keen on. This is also the party that has the majority of the state governments in this country as well.
Per Wikipedia, "Maryland is considered to be one of the most gerrymandered states in the country." (See also here.) Right now, Maryland has eight Representatives, of which seven are Democratic.... at the state level, about 2/3 of the districts vote Democratic (and about 2/3 of the voters in 2012 voted Democratic) which means that Republicans are strongly underrepresented at the national level, but the state districting seems pretty clean.
That said, Maryland is a notable exception; most of the egregious gerrymandering is done in red states at the behest of Republican legislatures. For example, North Carolina split about 50/50 in popular vote in 2012, but has ten Republicans and 3 Democrats. The article cited above suggests that gerrymandering in North Carolina, Louisiana, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Alabama alone provided Republicans with 11 more Congressional seats than their vote makeup would warrant.
What does that mean for states like Maryland?
Keep in mind that an accurate well run census will probably result in more Democratic representation in Congress, which is something the current majority party isn't really keen on. This is also the party that has the majority of the state governments in this country as well.Per Wikipedia, "Maryland is considered to be one of the most gerrymandered states in the country." (See also here.) Right now, Maryland has eight Representatives, of which seven are Democratic.... at the state level, about 2/3 of the districts vote Democratic (and about 2/3 of the voters in 2012 voted Democratic) which means that Republicans are strongly underrepresented at the national level, but the state districting seems pretty clean.
That said, Maryland is a notable exception; most of the egregious gerrymandering is done in red states at the behest of Republican legislatures. For example, North Carolina split about 50/50 in popular vote in 2012, but has ten Republicans and 3 Democrats. The article cited above suggests that gerrymandering in North Carolina, Louisiana, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Alabama alone provided Republicans with 11 more Congressional seats than their vote makeup would warrant.
Yea that is pretty much Maryland Politics.
Yea that is pretty much Maryland Politics.What does that mean for states like Maryland?
Keep in mind that an accurate well run census will probably result in more Democratic representation in Congress, which is something the current majority party isn't really keen on. This is also the party that has the majority of the state governments in this country as well.Per Wikipedia, "Maryland is considered to be one of the most gerrymandered states in the country." (See also here.) Right now, Maryland has eight Representatives, of which seven are Democratic.... at the state level, about 2/3 of the districts vote Democratic (and about 2/3 of the voters in 2012 voted Democratic) which means that Republicans are strongly underrepresented at the national level, but the state districting seems pretty clean.
That said, Maryland is a notable exception; most of the egregious gerrymandering is done in red states at the behest of Republican legislatures. For example, North Carolina split about 50/50 in popular vote in 2012, but has ten Republicans and 3 Democrats. The article cited above suggests that gerrymandering in North Carolina, Louisiana, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Alabama alone provided Republicans with 11 more Congressional seats than their vote makeup would warrant.
Oh, I forgot to address your census question directly. Since 2010, Maryland has had population growth that was about the same as the national average. If this persists, then Maryland will have the same number of Congressional districts and nothing much will happen. If Maryland should have a sudden growth spurt, one can expect that the new district(s) would be drawn to favor Democrats, since Maryland has a track record.
Based on population change, though, it looks like the states that lose districts will be in the Rust Belt (e.g. Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio) to the benefit of California, Texas, and Florida. There's no obvious demographic shift in those numbers,... which means that the state legislatures are going to be able to have a really big influence on the 2024 and 2028 Presidential election by how many seats they "gift" to which party....
Yea that is pretty much Maryland Politics.What does that mean for states like Maryland?
Keep in mind that an accurate well run census will probably result in more Democratic representation in Congress, which is something the current majority party isn't really keen on. This is also the party that has the majority of the state governments in this country as well.Per Wikipedia, "Maryland is considered to be one of the most gerrymandered states in the country." (See also here.) Right now, Maryland has eight Representatives, of which seven are Democratic.... at the state level, about 2/3 of the districts vote Democratic (and about 2/3 of the voters in 2012 voted Democratic) which means that Republicans are strongly underrepresented at the national level, but the state districting seems pretty clean.
That said, Maryland is a notable exception; most of the egregious gerrymandering is done in red states at the behest of Republican legislatures. For example, North Carolina split about 50/50 in popular vote in 2012, but has ten Republicans and 3 Democrats. The article cited above suggests that gerrymandering in North Carolina, Louisiana, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Alabama alone provided Republicans with 11 more Congressional seats than their vote makeup would warrant.
Oh, I forgot to address your census question directly. Since 2010, Maryland has had population growth that was about the same as then national average. If this persists, then Maryland will have the same number of Congressional districts and nothing much will happen. If Maryland should have a sudden growth spurt, one can expect that the new district(s) would be drawn to favor Democrats, since Maryland has a track record.
Based on...
On the other hand New Jersey lost over a hundred thousand in population in the 2000 census because Paterson, the third largest city in the state, was never counted.
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For those intent on subjecting themselves to Monday's PotUS debate, do you have any recommendations for alcoholic libations? (Sorry DB, no puff-puff/bubble-bubble for me)
I feel like you'd appreciate The Goblin King.
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For those intent on subjecting themselves to Monday's PotUS debate, do you have any recommendations for alcoholic libations? (Sorry DB, no puff-puff/bubble-bubble for me)I feel like you'd appreciate The Goblin King.
David Bowie?
In other new, since the topic of body cams have come up in this thread, look up what is going on in my home city of Hagerstown.
What. The. [Fdacted].
Dang, I missed the free-speech debate. Too bad; that s!+~ can be complicated.
If you're nine.
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The one where the child is sitting alone in the back of the police car and the officer walks over and pepper sprays her?
Yup, saw it.
It's her fault for not cooperating.
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Wow, never thought I'd thought we'd agree on something Bugley
She was resisting. They asked her nicely, she got hostile and attempted to leave the scene on bike.
My bad. I was being sarcastic, but apparently that wasn't obvious.
That was a child. Who had apparently collided with a car on her bike. The police escalated the conflict (the opposite of what they're supposed to) for no apparent reason. Then they PEPPER-SPRAYED a child who was zero threat to anyone, which was completely unnecessary. Or maybe you think she's lucky they didn't just shoot her? Is that clear enough sarcasm for you?
She likely had very good reasons to fear the police going in...now she has one more.
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Wow, never thought I'd thought we'd agree on something Bugley
She was resisting. They asked her nicely, she got hostile and attempted to leave the scene on bike.
My bad. I was being sarcastic.
That was a child. Who had apparently collided with a car on her bike. The police created a chaotic situation, then and caused it to steadily escalate (the opposite of what they're supposed to). Then they PEPPER-SPRAYED a child who was zero threat to anyone.
She likely had very good reasons to fear the police going in...now she has one more.
Of course, of course, should have not brought my hopes up. You'd rather defend someone who'd say f#@$ you to the police and walk away when they are trying to question them. Resisting every attempt to calm them down.
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Of course, of course, should have not brought my hopes up. You'd rather defend someone who'd say f#@$ you to the police and walk away when they are trying to question them.
I'm delighted to disappoint you.
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You'd rather defend someone who'd say f#@$ you to the police and walk away when they are trying to question them.
Saying "f#@$ you" to the police is your absolute Constitutional right (First Amendment). Walking away from a cop is also your absolute right unless the cops have reasonable suspicion that you are involved in criminal activity.
Neither are grounds for police to assault you.
I hope the city of Hagerstown is sued for millions of dollars for false arrest, false imprisonment, unlawful assault with a deadly weapon, and child abuse.
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Of course, of course, should have not brought my hopes up. You'd rather defend someone who'd say f#@$ you to the police and walk away when they are trying to question them.Saying "f#@$ you" to the police is your absolute Constitutional right (First Amendment). Walking away from a cop is also your absolute right unless the cops have reasonable suspicion that you are involved in criminal activity.
Neither are grounds for police to assault you.
They didnt assault her at all. How about this, when a cop questions you next time, you tell him to f@#$ off and walk away.
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Saying "f#@$ you" to the police is your absolute Constitutional right (First Amendment). Walking away from a cop is also your absolute right unless the cops have reasonable suspicion that you are involved in criminal activity.
Neither are grounds for police to assault you.
Don't forget it was a child, for god's sake. But then those hood rats aren't really children, right Nenkota?
Pardon me while I go vomit.
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Saying "f#@$ you" to the police is your absolute Constitutional right (First Amendment). Walking away from a cop is also your absolute right unless the cops have reasonable suspicion that you are involved in criminal activity.
Neither are grounds for police to assault you.
Don't forget it was a child, for god's sake. But then those hood rats aren't really children, right Nenkota?
Pardon me while I go vomit.
*holds Bugle's hair back*
Man, our cops are really bad at that whole "serve and protect" shtick, aren't they?
And if anyone tries to #notallcops me, I swear to god... :P
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They didnt assault her at all. How about this, when a cop questions you next time, you tell him to f@#$ off and walk away.
What is wrong with you? THEY PERPPER-SPRAYED A CHILD FOR CONVENIENCE AND/OR AMUSEMENT!
I strongly suspect you'd feel differently if that child was yours. Or even simply had the good sense to NOT BE BLACK. >:(
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I think it might be a good idea to discuss the pepperspraying of children in another thread, as it is likely to get heated, and is not really related to presidential politics.
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She was resisting. They asked her nicely, she got hostile and attempted to leave the scene on bike.
Let's pretend that the police had viable grounds to detain her... they're going with the favorite catchall 'disorderly conduct'.
How exactly was she "resisting" after they had handcuffed her, forced her in to the police car, and closed the door? She was sitting there. Quietly. Alone. Doing nothing. The officer then pepper sprayed her through the gap at the top of the window.
That's assault. Plain and simple. The officer committed a crime.
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If Had plenty of experience with kids whom pull crap like this on a daily basis.
Notice as well lightly say that I am racist in my defense of the officers when I haven't spoken a word of the race of the girl.
That you apparently believe that serves as evidence that your position isn't racist is rather telling.
But yeah, Fergie. I'm done here.
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They didnt assault her at all.
Are you saying that they didn't assault her because she was black, or are you saying they didn't assault because no assault occurred? Because spraying pepper spray in a person's face is definitely assault (and battery, for that matter, but Maryland doesn't distinguish between the two).
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Everyone, get the fork off this thread.
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Everyone, get the fork off this thread.
I don't think it IS a fork. Not with Pence calling on people to stop making claims of institutional racism in policing. This is a campaign issue... with a clear difference between the candidates. Clinton is calling for more police accountability... Trump for higher police presence in minority areas, the return of stop and frisk, confiscation of licensed firearms, et cetera.
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If Had plenty of experience with kids whom pull crap like this on a daily basis.
Notice as well lightly say that I am racist in my defense of the officers when I haven't spoken a word of the race of the girl.
That you apparently believe that serves as evidence that your position isn't racist is rather telling.
But yeah, Fergie. I'm done here.
Of course, because automatically making it though I am racist by basically calling me racist to shut down argument.
Well then, if that's what you think I am, then fine, Ill be racist all out then.
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Ill be racist all out then.
So,... no change, then? Because I don't think anyone's actually had any doubt on that point for quite some time.
Yeah, but the kid issue in particular is extra-likely to turn vitriolic, as things often do when children are concerned. It's probably best to take that specialized issue elsewhere.
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Everyone, get the fork off this thread.I don't think it IS a fork. Not with Pence calling on people to stop making claims of institutional racism in policing. This is a campaign issue... with a clear difference between the candidates. Clinton is calling for more police accountability... Trump for higher police presence in minority areas, the return of stop and frisk, confiscation of licensed firearms, et cetera.
I think all of those topics are totally relevant to the election. A heated discussion about a specific incident however is just going to get this thread locked.
I encourage a RESPECTFUL discussion about how race, policing, and politics, but I'm not optimistic such an extreme case will result in that discussion - but I hope I'm wrong.
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Some positions are simply unworthy of respect, and deserve to be treated as such.
Note that I'm not advocating using force to shut prevent the expression of such opinions...after all, we're not talking about a fifteen year old girl on a bike here (Oops...my bad).
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Some positions are simply unworthy of respect, and deserve to be treated as such.
Note that I'm not advocating using force to shut prevent the expression of such opinions...after all, we're not talking about a fifteen year old girl on a bike here (Oops...my bad).
So any dissenting opinion you just call it racist and it goes away.
So any dissenting opinion you just call it racist and it goes away.Some positions are simply unworthy of respect, and deserve to be treated as such.
Note that I'm not advocating using force to shut prevent the expression of such opinions...after all, we're not talking about a fifteen year old girl on a bike here (Oops...my bad).
1. I'm clearly still here. You can tell, because we're exchanging messages.
2. Not any dissenting opinion...just the racist ones.
Sometimes it's good to be able to differentiate. I'm not going to have a long and fruitful discussion with a TERF, or with somebody who takes for granted that the cops are always in the right when they assault unarmed black people.
There are many dissenting opinions I don't call racist. I don't call people who like Batman vs. Superman racist. I don't call libertarians racist.
Trump's "racist has no meaning" card doesn't hold a lot of weight with me. Your positions are steeped in something—either an overabundance of regard for the Folk In Uniform, or a deficiency in trust that a black person has the right to exist without being harassed by police.
Tell me, are there any recent examples of police violence against black people in which you did side with Black Lives Matter? That would shed some light on this.