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*Whistles innocently*


Yidhra, Goddess of Paradoxes wrote:
*Whistles innocently*

*Thor voice* Yidhra??


It wasn't me and you can't prove otherwise.

Speaking of things that can seem like paradoxes, though, one opinion writer thinks you should vote against the Republican party in order to help save it.


Random reading about Syria and old friends from the International Socialist Organization led me to stumble upon an article about that Zero Hedge site with Tyler Durden articles that Fergie linked somewhere above and I remember seeing for the first time due to a Grand Magus thread.

Unmasking the Men Behind Zero Hedge, Wall Street's Renegade Blog

I haven't read it yet, but I'm posting it all the same.


Wow! that is funny! I can't believe one of the guys names is Lokey!

I think the last paragraph sums up the site fairly well. Daily Kos and that site had the same content - strange, I would have thought those two sites to be opposites.


I poked around a bit more, mostly on wikipedia. There's a professor who claims that the Slavic named dude is the son of an agent of the Bulgarian equivalent of the KGB; Matt Taibbi, otoh, apparently cited them in Griftopia as exposing how corrupt Goldman Sachs is.

Beats me.

I did, however, for fun, go and find that Grand Magus thread, even if it did my expose my ignorance of the meaning of "economic indicator":


The "Buy A Gun Google Query" Economic Indicator Has Hit All Time High Again


Back to the election:

Charges to be filed against presidential candidate

I don't think I've seen anything about it on the boards, and I presume people know about it, but I keep reading comments on Facebook that the "MSM isn't covering this!" so...

FULL Exclusive Report: Dakota Access Pipeline Co. Attacks Native Americans with Dogs & Pepper Spray


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I'm not very familiar with that pipeline, I've been involved peripherally with the one in Minnesota (or rather opposition to).

I think pipelines are problematic, but also solve a number of issues and reduce certain environmental impact. That said, I'd like to see various first nations people's be respected and treated as sovereign in regards to what gets built on their land. If they say no, that's the end of it. If they want to charge per gallon of oil? Well, that's something the company needs to negotiate on. Let them decide for themselves what they want and what the company needs to pay for access.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Back to the election:

Charges to be filed against presidential candidate

I don't think I've seen anything about it on the boards, and I presume people know about it, but I keep reading comments on Facebook that the "MSM isn't covering this!" so...

FULL Exclusive Report: Dakota Access Pipeline Co. Attacks Native Americans with Dogs & Pepper Spray

Interesting. So if I understand that articles, the Pipeline digs up Native American Burial Grounds. That's a good reason to be upset or outraged.

If I connect the dots you lined up, I'm supposing that the Green party candidate was there with the protestors and at the time they also tied themselves to equipment and spray painted some items and as a result the sheriffs office want to find a way to bring charges against that Candidate.

I think the construction company should stop until the Burial Ground issue is resolved. If the vandalism was because the company itself was proceeding and thus also vandalizing (although legally apparently), they should eat the loss as their wrong does not make a right.

Other than that I don't know enough information about it to actually know all the details, only to have a very ill informed opinion from the articles you posted.


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I don't know too much about it, either, just that something like a thousand Native Americans from something like sixty nations across the country have been demonstrating since April (I think), BLM sent a delegation, it's being called the largest Native American demonstration since the showdown with the American Indian Movement in the early seventies, etc., etc.

Based on the responses, I'm guessing the MSM hasn't been covering it, but that will probably change since a judge ordered parts of construction halted earlier today and, according to the headlines, Obama gave a speech about it an hour ago or so.


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

I don't know too much about it, either, just that something like a thousand Native Americans from something like sixty nations across the country have been demonstrating since April (I think), BLM sent a delegation, it's being called the largest Native American demonstration since the showdown with the American Indian Movement in the early seventies, etc., etc.

Based on the responses, I'm guessing the MSM hasn't been covering it, but that will probably change since a judge ordered parts of construction halted earlier today and, according to the headlines, Obama gave a speech about it an hour ago or so.

Wow, almost right on time.


Am I the only one who strongly dislikes the conspiratorial overtones of the abbreviation "MSM"?


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Clinton edges Trump in new Texas poll.
Dallas Morning News endorses Hillary Clinton, first democrat since FDR

Texas Election News. Not that I have any real expectations that Clinton will actually take Texas, but the idea is titillating.


bugleyman wrote:
Am I the only one who strongly dislikes the conspiratorial overtones of the abbreviation "MSM"?

Sorry, I only used it because of a quote.

Usually, I'd say "bourgeois media."


bugleyman wrote:
Am I the only one who strongly dislikes the conspiratorial overtones of the abbreviation "MSM"?

*yells* It's a conspiracy about overtones of conspiracies!


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Jill Stein, Green Party Candidate, Is Charged Over Role in Pipeline Protest

“Officers were alerted to video that displayed presidential candidate Jill Stein painting the front of one of the Caterpillars with the message ‘I approve this message,’ ” the affidavit said.

Snicker snicker


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This morning, in a televised live interview, Gary Johnson responded to a question about Aleppo by asking "What is Aleppo?".

I think the Libertarian ticket no longer looks as good as a conservative alternative.


World geography questions do not imperil the Presidency. Lunacy and greed do. ;)


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Aimless wrote:
World geography questions do not imperil the Presidency. Lunacy and greed do. ;)

Not recognizing the largest city in one of the biggest current conflict zones that he'd have to be deal with as President isn't a trivial "world geography question".

Of course, if they'd asked anything that tough of Trump in the forum last night, maybe we'd be able to judge between the two.


As opposed to Trump's "30 days to solve ISIS"?

Why doesn't the coach just call more "Score a Touchdown" plays?


Irontruth wrote:

As opposed to Trump's "30 days to solve ISIS"?

Why doesn't the coach just call more "Score a Touchdown" plays?

Hey, he's got a secret plan to solve ISIS. (Just like Nixon.) Which is apparently to ask the generals. (Cause nobody's ever bothered to do that.) But probably not the actual generals, but new ones he replaces them with from the few retired generals who support him.


thejeff wrote:
Aimless wrote:
World geography questions do not imperil the Presidency. Lunacy and greed do. ;)

Not recognizing the largest city in one of the biggest current conflict zones that he'd have to be deal with as President isn't a trivial "world geography question".

Of course, if they'd asked anything that tough of Trump in the forum last night, maybe we'd be able to judge between the two.

Considering many Americans are pretty bad at geography, this should not come as a surprise. Syria may not be trivial in terms of foreign policy, but it's also not the #1 geopolitical concern.

Now, if he couldn't pick out China or Russia on a world map, it would be a much greater concern.


Aimless wrote:
Considering many Americans are pretty bad at geography, this should not come as a surprise.

When the "geography" survey has questions like "In what U.S. city did the original CSI TV series take place," it's really hard to take it seriously.

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Kirth Gersen wrote:
Aimless wrote:
Considering many Americans are pretty bad at geography, this should not come as a surprise.
When the "geography" survey has questions like "In what U.S. city did the original CSI TV series take place," it's really hard to take it seriously.

"In what U.S. City did the CSI: Miami TV series take place," would be a good question though :3


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Aimless wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Aimless wrote:
World geography questions do not imperil the Presidency. Lunacy and greed do. ;)

Not recognizing the largest city in one of the biggest current conflict zones that he'd have to be deal with as President isn't a trivial "world geography question".

Of course, if they'd asked anything that tough of Trump in the forum last night, maybe we'd be able to judge between the two.

Considering many Americans are pretty bad at geography, this should not come as a surprise. Syria may not be trivial in terms of foreign policy, but it's also not the #1 geopolitical concern.

Now, if he couldn't pick out China or Russia on a world map, it would be a much greater concern.

The president isn't "many Americans". The president shouldn't be an average Joe. Gary Johnson isn't a random person being asked a question, he's campaigning for the highest elected office in our country. He's campaigning to be the person who is the primary decision maker about our country's policy on Syria.

If the question had been "What's the 5th largest city in Kenya?" I would agree with you, that's largely irrelevant. Not that Kenya is irrelevant, but for current events, the 5th largest city in that country isn't a big deal right now.

Aleppo on the other hand has been a focal point of fighting in Syria for 5 years now. In fact, if you look at the wiki page for the Syrian Civil War, Aleppo is mentioned 97 times. I'm not saying he needs to be able to find it on a map, but he should at least know if f@%%ing exists. (It's in the NW corner, about 22 miles from the Turkish border) Aleppo is one of the 3 major cities where the Free Syrian Army was able to take control. Knowing it's role in the war and current state is a big deal if you're going to talk about Syria with any substance.

Gary Johnson, not knowing what Aleppo is, basically said "I don't actually know anything about Syria."


Of course it doesn't really matter, because Johnson isn't a serious candidate. He's not going to win the election, so his knowledge of such things is really irrelevant.
He's a protest candidate. He's got his issues. If you vote for him, you're saying I don't the real candidates and I want real candidates who have stances like him on those issues. That's all.

Now if someone asked Trump about Aleppo, that might be interesting.


Of course instead of talking about how bad Trump's answers were to questions last night, people are talking about how s%%!ty a job the moderator did. Huffington Post headline "Lauer Cowers"


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Caineach wrote:
Of course instead of talking about how bad Trump's answers were to questions last night, people are talking about how s#~&ty a job the moderator did. Huffington Post headline "Lauer Cowers"

Both are valid things to talk about. The moderator lobbing softballs to Trump (and grilling Clinton) and Trump failing to hit the softballs.

Also easily noticeable was Lauer constantly interrupting Clinton but letting Trump ramble on. Which, admittedly, let him dig himself deeper into a hole several times.


I really hope Clinton hammers Trump's fire all the generals comment in areas with heavy military populations.


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I know he's said it before, but he really should be getting hammered on that "we should've taken the oil" lunacy.

Aside from probably being logistically impossible, Trump thinks we should plunder areas we send a military response into.

And now I'm thinking about Trump b&*$$ing about the Geneva Conventions.

The man apparently wants to be a war criminal and he's not getting called out on it.


Zhangar wrote:

I know he's said it before, but he really should be getting hammered on that "we should've taken the oil" lunacy.

Aside from probably being logistically impossible, Trump thinks we should plunder areas we send a military response into.

Hell, we intended tp plunder Iraq and couldn't even come close to making the war pay for itself.

Though it made a tidy profit for some US companies.

Sovereign Court

Fergie wrote:

Jill Stein, Green Party Candidate, Is Charged Over Role in Pipeline Protest

“Officers were alerted to video that displayed presidential candidate Jill Stein painting the front of one of the Caterpillars with the message ‘I approve this message,’ ” the affidavit said.

Snicker snicker

She spray painted the front of a blade of a bulldozer, those things scrape up hundreds of tons of soil, if that message remains after a week of work I'd be surprised. Apparently they want to arrest her for that. Trump threatens people, incites violence, and Clinton emails classified information, but Jill Stein is the one with the arrest warrant on her.


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Scythia wrote:
I think the Libertarian ticket no longer looks as good as a conservative alternative.

It never did. You just never actually looked at it.

It's the same way that the backup quarterback is often the most popular player on a struggling football team. When people aren't satisfied with how the team is going, they tend to blame the highly visible players because their flaws are on display every week. You don't see the flaws in the backup players (especially the backup QB) because they are unlikely to see any playing time at all -- so you don't realize that the backup QB is even weaker, slower, and less accurate than the starter (which is, of course, something that the coach knows, which is why he's the backup instead of the starter). You only see _his_ flaws when he gets some visible game time.

The Libertarians are -- for better or for worse -- getting more visibility than usual this cycle. This means that, for the first time in a generation, someone is actually willing to interview a Libertarian presidential candidate for the national news. This also means, for the first time in a generation, the nation can actually see what the political scientists have known about their complete vapidity.


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Zhangar wrote:

I know he's said it before, but he really should be getting hammered on that "we should've taken the oil" lunacy.

Aside from probably being logistically impossible, Trump thinks we should plunder areas we send a military response into.

And now I'm thinking about Trump b*+*$ing about the Geneva Conventions.

The man apparently wants to be a war criminal and he's not getting called out on it.

Do not, my friends, become addicted to competency. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!


Well, apparently comiting and getting away with felonies is a requirement to run for president this year so she had to do SOMETHING


Dammit. I keep forgetting to give him his proper title.

thejeff wrote:

Of course it doesn't really matter, because Former Republican Governor Johnson isn't a serious candidate. He's not going to win the election, so his knowledge of such things is really irrelevant.

He's a protest candidate. He's got his issues. If you vote for him, you're saying I don't the real candidates and I want real candidates who have stances like him on those issues. That's all.

Now if someone asked Trump about Aleppo, that might be interesting.


thejeff wrote:

Dammit. I keep forgetting to give him his proper title.

thejeff wrote:

Of course it doesn't really matter, because Former Republican Governor Johnson and friend with Ron Nielson isn't a serious candidate. He's not going to win the election, so his knowledge of such things is really irrelevant.

He's a protest candidate. He's got his issues. If you vote for him, you're saying I don't the real candidates and I want real candidates who have stances like him on those issues. That's all.

Now if someone asked Trump about Aleppo, that might be interesting.


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thejeff wrote:
Now if someone asked Trump about Aleppo, that might be interesting.

Trump: "You in the press like your 'gotcha' questions, but that's ok. Personally, I think Aleppo was far underrated as Marx Brother, and deserved more screen time over say Harpo, or Karl, or Shemp." {smiles bigly}

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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Now if someone asked Trump about Aleppo, that might be interesting.
Trump: "You in the press like your 'gotcha' questions, but that's ok. Personally, I think Aleppo was far underrated as Marx Brother, and deserved more screen time over say Harpo, or Karl, or Shemp." {smiles bigly}

"Oh it's on, b*~+!!"

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Well, apparently comiting and getting away with felonies is a requirement to run for president this year so she had to do SOMETHING

Pretty sure it's a misdemeanor, so not quite a felony, but that is a good point.


Fully aware of the irony due to repeated sniping with Lord Dice:

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"Join others in our community this Thursday, September 8th, for a statewide Visibility Day to Vote No on 2!
We'll be meeting at 5pm in Lowell at the island/circle in front of City Hall . We'll provide the signs (or make your own if you're inspired!)
Hope to see you there. Keep the cap! Public funds for Public schools!"


Orfamay Quest wrote:
Scythia wrote:
I think the Libertarian ticket no longer looks as good as a conservative alternative.

It never did. You just never actually looked at it.

I wasn't looking for a conservative alternative myself, but I was hoping that a ticket with two Republican governors would be a draw for conservative voters who aren't happy with Trump (in order to peel away some votes).


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Guy Humual wrote:
Fergie wrote:

Jill Stein, Green Party Candidate, Is Charged Over Role in Pipeline Protest

“Officers were alerted to video that displayed presidential candidate Jill Stein painting the front of one of the Caterpillars with the message ‘I approve this message,’ ” the affidavit said.

Snicker snicker

She spray painted the front of a blade of a bulldozer, those things scrape up hundreds of tons of soil, if that message remains after a week of work I'd be surprised. Apparently they want to arrest her for that. Trump threatens people, incites violence, and Clinton emails classified information, but Jill Stein is the one with the arrest warrant on her.

She's slacking, actually. She was arrested at least three times during the 2012 cycle.

Maybe she's slowing down with age.


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Late to the Aleppo game, but maybe you guys are being too hard on Gary?

NY Times Report on Johnson Aleppo Screw-Up Also Doesn’t Know What Aleppo Is


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Aimless wrote:
Considering many Americans are pretty bad at geography, this should not come as a surprise.
When the "geography" survey has questions like "In what U.S. city did the original CSI TV series take place," it's really hard to take it seriously.

I actually got that one right.

Lucky guess.

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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Late to the Aleppo game, but maybe you guys are being too hard on Gary?

NY Times Report on Johnson Aleppo Screw-Up Also Doesn’t Know What Aleppo Is

The only factually correct answer to "What is Aleppo?" is "A clusterf**k no matter how you slice it."


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Kirth Gersen wrote:
Aimless wrote:
Considering many Americans are pretty bad at geography, this should not come as a surprise.
When the "geography" survey has questions like "In what U.S. city did the original CSI TV series take place," it's really hard to take it seriously.

While it's fun to make fun of it, that website has the following context around that question:

National Geographic wrote:
Note: This question was intended to enable a contrast between what people know about pop culture versus what they know about real-world places, peoples, and events. It is not intended as a measure of actual geographic knowledge. In fact, we did find that more people knew the setting for CSI than could locate several countries in the news on a map.

So in that context it's fairly legit.

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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:
Aimless wrote:
Considering many Americans are pretty bad at geography, this should not come as a surprise.
When the "geography" survey has questions like "In what U.S. city did the original CSI TV series take place," it's really hard to take it seriously.

I actually got that one right.

Lucky guess.

What was your guess for CSI: Miami?


I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think we should maybe give Johnson a pass on that.

Nate Silver wrote:
I also think we should be fair to him, though — he released this statement earlier this morning where he basically said his brain had been in a space where he thought “Aleppo” was an acronym. That kind of brain fart seems pretty plausible to me, especially since he’s not engaging in a full-court press campaign, where he’s constantly guarded — it’s a much more laid-back operation.

That said, Gary Johnson is still the worst.


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Late to the Aleppo game, but maybe you guys are being too hard on Gary?

NY Times Report on Johnson Aleppo Screw-Up Also Doesn’t Know What Aleppo Is

Whoever wrote the original piece for the times would also not receive my vote for president.

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