The role of Gods, clerics and religion in this setting; What is it?!!


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Where's Treerazer?


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
*needs more Technopaladins*

And they can ride technounicorns.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
*needs more Technopaladins*

Soooo Jedi?


thecursor wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
*needs more Technopaladins*
Soooo Jedi?

For me - basically yes. :)


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Steven "Troll" O'Neal wrote:
Where's Treerazer?

Still messing with people.

From what I remember hearing, Starfinder is not exclusively Pathfinder in Space. It's more Pathfinder in the Solar System, which means some space, but ALSO potentially means visiting the (many) different planets. Some of which are forested. And there IS a nice group of elves on one of them...

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thecursor wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
*needs more Technopaladins*
Soooo Jedi?

I dunno. I see Jedi as more technodruids. Technopaladins are more crusader-y to me. I want to smite evil with a plasma rifle. Though light saber is also acceptable.


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Christopher Anthony wrote:
Aroden never really died. He just went on vacation and everything fell apart while he wasn't watching.

sipping Mai Tais with Q and The Watcher?


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The Shifty Mongoose wrote:
Also, I hope that, by then, the Elemental Planes will have good rulers again.

Supposedly that's what we're doing in PFS next season, so you'll probably be in luck there.


Duiker wrote:
The initial announcement explicitly mentions an AI god and that the gods refuse to say what happened to Golarion. So that's pretty horsey mouthy that the gods are still around and functional.

'Functional' is debatable. Apparently they're history destroying monsters and actually cooperate and agree on things now, despite how absurd that seems.


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Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
*needs more Technopaladins*
Soooo Jedi?
I dunno. I see Jedi as more technodruids. Technopaladins are more crusader-y to me. I want to smite evil with a plasma rifle. Though light saber is also acceptable.

I always thought of Jedi as more Magi myself.


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Voss wrote:
and actually cooperate and agree on things now, despite how absurd that seems.

I'ts already established that deities of opposing spectrum can agree when something really dire is happening, like when EVERYONE banded together against Rovagug


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
*needs more Technopaladins*
Soooo Jedi?
I dunno. I see Jedi as more technodruids. Technopaladins are more crusader-y to me. I want to smite evil with a plasma rifle. Though light saber is also acceptable.
I always thought of Jedi as more Magi myself.

Soulknives with Telekinetic and Telepathic abilities.


Kahnya,

There's that too.


In any case, I'm always more interested in seeing how active (or in some cases inactive) clerical magic, their religions and stuff works in a science fantasy setting like Starfinder.


Danubus wrote:
I had an android worship Siri from the iPhone once. She gained self awareness and took over satellites in a post apocalyptic game we played. In Starfinder I hope we can worship Casandalee. Maybe she is like running Absolam space station like Mother did in the Rai comics from Valiant comics

I miss Shooter-era Valiant. It was never the same after he left. :(

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Thomas Seitz wrote:
In any case, I'm always more interested in seeing how active (or in some cases inactive) clerical magic, their religions and stuff works in a science fantasy setting like Starfinder.

Seriously pick up the Dragonstar books. They offer great insight into how this can be done.

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Razmir as a true Greater God would be AWESOME

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Id much prefer they came out with a relatively new Pantheon. I know its been done with another famous setting, but having all the Gods 'leave' for a time with their world would be pretty awesome.


Matthew Pittard wrote:
Id much prefer they came out with a relatively new Pantheon. I know its been done with another famous setting, but having all the Gods 'leave' for a time with their world would be pretty awesome.

Probably a different Core Pantheon, with some former Core Deities being missing or being "Locale" to some area.

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Nutcast: Something like that. A lot of people seem to just want to shove all their favourite things from Pathfinder into Starfinder. It needs its own identity if it is to succeed.


Jedi are basically clerics while Sith are wizards.

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Rhedyn wrote:
Jedi are basically clerics while Sith are wizards.

What about the Id Rager archetype for Bloodragers?

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We could try to envision how PFRPG deities adapted to the SFRPG setting

Milani should add Tax Evasion to her portfolio, to the extreme delight of my visionary players

Makes you wonder who will be the deity of Corporations


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The Raven Black wrote:
Makes you wonder who will be the deity of Corporations

"Welcome to Asmodeoco! From polymers to produce to world-sundering magical weapons, Asmodeoco makes the things that make the cosmos go. As a valued member of the Asmodeoco team, you will be expected to work tirelessly at your assigned function, whether it be processing paperwork, drilling asteroids, or tormenting the souls of the damned for all eternity. We offer a full range of benefits and up to four weeks of vacation a year. Just sign here..."

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My first thought too ;-)


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The Raven Black wrote:
My first thought too ;-)

I've become convinced that much of my career has been spent working for Asmodeoco or its subsidiaries...

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Apparently there was discussion on the panel about what the symbol of AbadarCorp would be.


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Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
Apparently there was discussion on the panel about what the symbol of AbadarCorp would be.

A tilted A? It still works after they get bought out/hostile takeover-ed by Asmodeoco.


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You're all wrong guys, Jedi are gestalt Overwhelming Soul Telekineticist/Mesmerists with laser swords.


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Rhedyn wrote:
Jedi are basically clerics while Sith are wizards.

I keep reading the last as "Slith are Lizards".


The Raven Black wrote:

We could try to envision how PFRPG deities adapted to the SFRPG setting

Milani should add Tax Evasion to her portfolio, to the extreme delight of my visionary players

Makes you wonder who will be the deity of Corporations

I assume that many who are tied to a local theology like Milani would disappear along with the planet, assuming Asmodeus didn't succeed in having her killed off long ago.


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Why would Milani disappear? Are there not still oppressive governments that people want to rebel against? Or perhaps oppressive corporations?


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Matthew Pittard wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
In any case, I'm always more interested in seeing how active (or in some cases inactive) clerical magic, their religions and stuff works in a science fantasy setting like Starfinder.
Seriously pick up the Dragonstar books. They offer great insight into how this can be done.

I don't have the books but I have read them Matthew.


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KahnyaGnorc wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
*needs more Technopaladins*
Soooo Jedi?
I dunno. I see Jedi as more technodruids. Technopaladins are more crusader-y to me. I want to smite evil with a plasma rifle. Though light saber is also acceptable.
I always thought of Jedi as more Magi myself.
Soulknives with Telekinetic and Telepathic abilities.

Nope, they're monks.


MythicFox wrote:
KahnyaGnorc wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Eliandra Giltessan wrote:
thecursor wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
*needs more Technopaladins*
Soooo Jedi?
I dunno. I see Jedi as more technodruids. Technopaladins are more crusader-y to me. I want to smite evil with a plasma rifle. Though light saber is also acceptable.
I always thought of Jedi as more Magi myself.
Soulknives with Telekinetic and Telepathic abilities.
Nope, they're monks.

Gestalt of psychic warrior and another psionic manifesting class (mostly psion).


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:

We could try to envision how PFRPG deities adapted to the SFRPG setting

Milani should add Tax Evasion to her portfolio, to the extreme delight of my visionary players

Makes you wonder who will be the deity of Corporations

I assume that many who are tied to a local theology like Milani would disappear along with the planet, assuming Asmodeus didn't succeed in having her killed off long ago.

Milani isn't really tied to local theology though? She's a deity of revolution and can be found wherever there's oppression?

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FedoraFerret wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:

We could try to envision how PFRPG deities adapted to the SFRPG setting

Milani should add Tax Evasion to her portfolio, to the extreme delight of my visionary players

Makes you wonder who will be the deity of Corporations

I assume that many who are tied to a local theology like Milani would disappear along with the planet, assuming Asmodeus didn't succeed in having her killed off long ago.
Milani isn't really tied to local theology though? She's a deity of revolution and can be found wherever there's oppression?

Taxes are pure oppression. Tax evasion is an act of hope and resistance. Spread the message. Long live Milani


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What I'm interested in is if/how the other planes have advanced.
DEMONS+LAZERS=DOOM!


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Captain collateral damage wrote:

What I'm interested in is if/how the other planes have advanced.

DEMONS+LAZERS=DOOM!

They do really need a reason why outsiders don't use high tech.

While most of the energy weapons in the Tech Guide are useless in outsider battles (resistances, high cost, feat investment vs. teleport, better melee damage, and SLAs), the really big guns like Extinction Devices (kill everything in a vast area not immune to mind affecting that fails a DC 35 Will save) or garden variety nukes (less effective against devils, but the blast wave will hurt anything if it's close enough) means that they should be their arsenals, especially for organized planes like Heaven and Hell.

Do they lack the raw materials for some reason? Ancient concordances against using them? (And the chaotic planes inclined to ignore them can't get organized enough to run a sophisticated economy?) Deific fiat?

This issue really has nothing to do with Starfinder, though. Androffa had this technology many thousands of years ago, and presumably other species developed in long before that.


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Slithery D wrote:
Captain collateral damage wrote:

What I'm interested in is if/how the other planes have advanced.

DEMONS+LAZERS=DOOM!

They do really need a reason why outsiders don't use high tech.

While most of the energy weapons in the Tech Guide are useless in outsider battles (resistances, high cost, feat investment vs. teleport, better melee damage, and SLAs), the really big guns like Extinction Devices (kill everything in a vast area not immune to mind affecting that fails a DC 35 Will save) or garden variety nukes (less effective against devils, but the blast wave will hurt anything if it's close enough) means that they should be their arsenals, especially for organized planes like Heaven and Hell.

Do they lack the raw materials for some reason? Ancient concordances against using them? (And the chaotic planes inclined to ignore them can't get organized enough to run a sophisticated economy?) Deific fiat?

This issue really has nothing to do with Starfinder, though. Androffa had this technology many thousands of years ago, and presumably other species developed in long before that.

The "If the PCs fail" in the last book of WotR mention that Demons might end up with tech stuff while fighting Numeria.


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Slithery D wrote:
Captain collateral damage wrote:

What I'm interested in is if/how the other planes have advanced.

DEMONS+LAZERS=DOOM!

They do really need a reason why outsiders don't use high tech.

While most of the energy weapons in the Tech Guide are useless in outsider battles (resistances, high cost, feat investment vs. teleport, better melee damage, and SLAs), the really big guns like Extinction Devices (kill everything in a vast area not immune to mind affecting that fails a DC 35 Will save) or garden variety nukes (less effective against devils, but the blast wave will hurt anything if it's close enough) means that they should be their arsenals, especially for organized planes like Heaven and Hell.

Do they lack the raw materials for some reason? Ancient concordances against using them? (And the chaotic planes inclined to ignore them can't get organized enough to run a sophisticated economy?) Deific fiat?

This issue really has nothing to do with Starfinder, though. Androffa had this technology many thousands of years ago, and presumably other species developed in long before that.

I always thought Demons didn't need tech to rip apart reality...


Moving on...

I do keep wondering how much of an effect this will have on temples and such since in Pathfinder, if you didn't have access to clerical healing, you're kind of SOL.


Captain collateral damage wrote:

What I'm interested in is if/how the other planes have advanced.

DEMONS+LAZERS=DOOM!

Yeah, Bring on the Cyberdemon for the technoPaladin to fight.


What I'd like it, is if there ARE deities like PF, that the deities are killable.

Yes, I want them to be able to be destroyed if one wants to.

This makes room for those who wish for a more ATHEIST campaign...where your belief is that your character (or in the real world, our world, a person) is the one that really matters and makes the decisions that can affect the yourself, the galaxy, and the universe).

In PF, an Atheist doesn't make as much sense as in our world, but if you can destroy those who claim to be deities...than Atheism makes a LOT more sense than if they are all powerful beings that you see the workings of constantly.


Slithery D wrote:
Captain collateral damage wrote:

What I'm interested in is if/how the other planes have advanced.

DEMONS+LAZERS=DOOM!

They do really need a reason why outsiders don't use high tech.

While most of the energy weapons in the Tech Guide are useless in outsider battles (resistances, high cost, feat investment vs. teleport, better melee damage, and SLAs), the really big guns like Extinction Devices (kill everything in a vast area not immune to mind affecting that fails a DC 35 Will save) or garden variety nukes (less effective against devils, but the blast wave will hurt anything if it's close enough) means that they should be their arsenals, especially for organized planes like Heaven and Hell.

Do they lack the raw materials for some reason? Ancient concordances against using them? (And the chaotic planes inclined to ignore them can't get organized enough to run a sophisticated economy?) Deific fiat?

This issue really has nothing to do with Starfinder, though. Androffa had this technology many thousands of years ago, and presumably other species developed in long before that.

Demon's enjoy ripping apart opponents with their own claws/tentacles/whatever? Abyssal energies mess with tech, causing it to not work properly?

Devils don't trust using high tech against opponents for worries that it will fall into the hands of others? They have agreement with good outsiders and inevitables not to escalate technology use against those who don't have it, because it goes against some cosmic rules?

No clue what would motivate Daemons though, unless the other outsiders just try their best to keep them from ever getting much technology for worry it will be turned against them.


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If nothing else, I feel like evil entities might hesitate to put enormously powerful, easy-to-use weaponry in the hands of subordinates who can advance by eliminating them.


Rednal, makes a good argument for the fact that demons would probably kill their superiors without hesitation.

Also not a fan of atheism. Agnostic Atheism is a much more logical approach.


I would imagine that Rovagug and a whole host of Empyreal Lords, Demon Lords, Infernal Dukes, and so many more in that vein would be gone. They're fairly location specific and would fall out of worship. I'd imagine a fair amount of Vudran gods would also be gone, such as Matravash, goddess of the Matra river, would be gone as well.


Nah. I think Rovoguy, the Empyreal Lords, Demon Lords, Infernal Dukes and other demi-gods of various stripes are still around. But some like you mentioned, the Vudran gods, probably not around.


I think that existing divine classes such as Cleric could do fine in Starfinder, provided that they get a bit of an update. For instance, Cleric is going to need a Televangelist archetype . . . .

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