Looking for an exponential feat chain


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I'm playing around with ideas for a new character, and i'm looking for a good long feat chain to invest in. Something that grants a unique new ability or something similar, and each feat increases the potency- that gives benefits for X number of feats in the chain, stuff like that.. Something like the Dream Scion or even dragonmark feats from 3.5 Eberron, or the Abyssal Heritor feats, also 3.5. And 3rd party stuff is totally cool

The character in question is a half elf Exploiter wizard. I'm planning on Elven Spirit and the Spell Penetration feats, as well as Improved Familiar, and probably Craft Rod and Craft Wondrous, but nothing decided on the remaining 8 feats or so.

I could spend the rest of my feats on being a wicked awesome summoner or blaster or whatever, but with the versatility of an Exploiter wizard who's got Quick Study, I'd rather not specialize in a single school too much. Instead i'd like a neat... THING I can do. Still, any interesting feat chain is welcome. If it does something magic-ey that'd be swell, but interested in hearing about anything you know of.


I don't think 'exponential' means what you think it means.

google wrote:

of or expressed by a mathematical exponent.

"an exponential curve"
(of an increase) becoming more and more rapid

The idea your thinking about is quite linear.

google wrote:


arranged in or extending along a straight or nearly straight line.
"linear arrangements"
synonyms: straight, direct, undeviating, as straight as an arrow; sequential
"linear motion"
2.
progressing from one stage to another in a single series of steps; sequential


Eldritch Heritage.

Designer

benaji wrote:

I don't think 'exponential' means what you think it means.

google wrote:

of or expressed by a mathematical exponent.

"an exponential curve"
(of an increase) becoming more and more rapid

The idea your thinking about is quite linear.

google wrote:


arranged in or extending along a straight or nearly straight line.
"linear arrangements"
synonyms: straight, direct, undeviating, as straight as an arrow; sequential
"linear motion"
2.
progressing from one stage to another in a single series of steps; sequential

Actually, I think he's describing is quadratic instead of exponential or linear (it might look locally linear for small numbers such as the number of feats you can take depending mainly on how much synergy power each feat has), since the idea is (like the Abyssal Heritor example from 3.5) that each feat in the chain has its own power and then gains power depending on how many other feats you have. So if the initial power of each feat is X and then you add some fraction of that power for each feat in the chain/group counting itself (call it X/n), then you have the following progression in total power

1 feat: X+X/n, which is equal to 1/n*(X+nX). For ease, I'm going to ignore that 1/n because it's a constant. Assume it's there for all future lines.
2 feats: Each one has 2X+nX, together they have 4X+2nX
3 feats: Each has 3X+nX, together they have 9X+3nX
4 feats: Together have 16X+4nX
Z feats: Together have Z^2*X+ZnX

So it's going to be more quadratic in Z (the number of feats) the lower n is (in other words, the bigger the power you get from each feat when you add a new feat).


Well, thanks for the terminology assistance, guys. Had a brain fart while writing, I figured 'Exponential' would convey the point, but yea, Quadratic probably fits better.

And thanks BigDTBone, for a suggestion. Eldritch heritage is indeed along the lines of what I'm looking for. I've used it before, but hadn't really considered it for this guy. Definitely one to think about. Anything else out there?


Have you looked at the Damnation Feats? Individually powerful and you get additional abilities for holding multiple feats in the set.


Ah, I have not! Damnation feats slipped under my radar! VERY interesting, thanks man!

Grand Lodge

Mark Seifter wrote:

Actually, I think he's describing is quadratic instead of exponential or linear (it might look locally linear for small numbers such as the number of feats you can take depending mainly on how much synergy power each feat has), since the idea is (like the Abyssal Heritor example from 3.5) that each feat in the chain has its own power and then gains power depending on how many other feats you have. So if the initial power of each feat is X and then you add some fraction of that power for each feat in the chain/group counting itself (call it X/n), then you have the following progression in total power

1 feat: X+X/n, which is equal to 1/n*(X+nX). For ease, I'm going to ignore that 1/n because it's a constant. Assume it's there for all future lines.
2 feats: Each one has 2X+nX, together they have 4X+2nX
3 feats: Each has 3X+nX, together they have 9X+3nX
4 feats: Together have 16X+4nX
Z feats: Together have Z^2*X+ZnX

So it's going to be more quadratic in Z (the number of feats) the lower n is (in other words, the bigger the power you get from each feat when you add a new feat).

I love it when you all get geeky on me.

Thank you for amusing me endlessly, Mark!

Hmm


If you're not dead set on Elven Spirit I would suggest looking at Half-Drow Paragon and the Drow feats (provided you're DM will let you).

You would need a 13 Charisma at least to get down the Drow Nobility line which can grant you access to quite a few SLAs which can come in handy.

Detect magic ends up becoming Constant. The following SLAs end up at will. Dancing Lights, Deeper Darkness, Faerie Fire, Feather Fall, Levitate.

If you go 13 Charisma and Wisdom you can then get access to the 2 Umbral Scion feats which give you (eventually) 2 uses of Dispel Magic (or one of the other 2 SLAs), 1 use of divine favour and suggestion per day.

I personally think this is an interesting feat chain, maybe not for a wizard as much but more so perhaps a martial character even. Giving a fighter access to a lot of these SLAs is definitely interesting.

Sovereign Court

Now I have the term "locally linear wizard" stuck in my head :P


Mm, not dead set, no. That might be something, for sure! I'll have to look, but getting in Noble Spell Resistance might be an option with that route, too.


Yeah for sure. I didn't mention the Noble Spell Resistance just because I personally don't like it. It stops you from being healed if you need to be in a pinch. Yes you can lower your own SR as a standard action, but sometimes that may just be to long.

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