However, the show has also accelerated into what was always going to be its biggest issue, that they will (assuming 8x8 episodes) have less episodes than GAME OF THRONES to tell a story almost three times as long, which would always entail a very high degree of adaptation.
So the solution there is to slow burn Suan sanche's background for an episode, and create some melodrama with lan and moraine in a visit to retired aes sedai with library lady, send rand to work as an orderly at an insane asylum*, and explore the background the show writers made up for nynaeve?
The job is hard. Lets make it harder!
The plot is an overly complicated watch.. or dare i say tapestry. Lets pull it apart here and I'm sure that won't mess us up anywhere down the line there...
*I think there's a reason you never saw one of these in the series. Anyone acting crazy is going to get lynched the first time someones cows go dry or there's a plague or lightning hits someone.
I'm a little sad they're not doing better with Ishamael. He was my favorite. But Lanfear being awesome...good stuff.
As for combining books 2 and 3...eh. Did they at least sound the Horn and the Heroes arrived? That's kind of important to me.
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As for combining books 2 and 3...eh. Did they at least sound the Horn and the Heroes arrived? That's kind of important to me.
Yes, in the Season 2 finale. That was a pretty good scene.
Good! That was an important scene for me in Book 2. I still am unclear what they're gonna do with Padan Fain considering he was fairly important in the books.
From the look of it, in the show Padan Fain is more directly an agent of the Shadow rather than being a random wild card.
Well that kind of sucks...since up until
Well that kind of sucks...since up until ** spoiler omitted ** I thought him being the wild card MIGHT mean something for the ending.
Philip,
I hadn't either, but that's only because I only have up to Book 13. So...yeah. Regardless, it was a kind of crappy way to go for a character I had hoped do more than just be a cipher.
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Wheel of Time S3 trailer out now.
Looks.... still a bit of a mess.
The trailer did a good job because its a whole cartfull of mess.
I'll be honest after how season 2 ended I don't really feel any pressing need to start on season 3. Show is pretty much on my pile of "If I have nothing better to do"
Show runners "this is the season we get back together with the story!"
Show...spends 3 episodes of people packing and sub plotting.
Wow. That was THE most un Morgase like thing for morgase to do ever.
They really do not get these characters.
*is waiting for the Battle of Dumai's Wells before he gives up on this.*
So, is there anything redeeming about the show or are you just hate-watching?
I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, just genuinely curious. I gave up some time during s1.
Its 10% boredom 90% hate watching
Maybe 1% hope on a good day
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Like I said, The Battle of Dumai's Wells better wow me. Otherwise this isn't what I signed on for.
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Like I said, The Battle of Dumai's Wells better wow me. Otherwise this isn't what I signed on for.
Like I said, The Battle of Dumai's Wells better wow me. Otherwise this isn't what I signed on for.** spoiler omitted **
Agreed with all of that.
The battle of the two rivers was amazing. They did change things but you can see why they did it.
Still too much emphasis on the stuff they're adding to the detriment of the story and the characters.
But Perrin getting to work was absolutely amazing.
Right now I'm still skeptical about the fact they are doing things is a kind of haphazard way when it comes to the adaptations for each of the novel. I get that you can't do some of it...but the fact we got Shadow Rising BEFORE Dragon Reborn...feels off to me somehow.
I am glad though Perrin is getting some love.
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Wheel of time canceled.
An amazon representative was quoted as saying "I win again Lews Therin"
Books are indeed awesome.
I just wish I had gotten Battle of Dumai's Wells. Oh well...
Books are indeed awesome.
I just wish I had gotten Battle of Dumai's Wells. Oh well...
Maybe just set some of the music to gladiator over the Thraxian battle in invincible?
Not quite the same, BNW....
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Wheel of Time TV Show on Wikipedia
IDK, the books were okay but a lot of wandering. Sanderson did a good job wrapping it up and is a better writer than Jordan.
With films/shows you have a lot to cut out to keep the pace going and make it visual.
The later books definitely wandered around a lot. Book 10 is practically at a stop with everyone going ooOOO. Ahhhh at the last chapter of the previous book.
But the show runners changed things around for no reason, and then when short on time spent entire episodes on Suian Sanche (a tertiary character at best) and the directors boyfriend warder (who I think had less speaking lines than are in this post in the books) The three main male leads had zero screen time or personality. You can't even tell mats being screwed up by the dagger because what little they've shown actually fits with what the dagger is turning him into.
There were a large number of jump the shark moments. (mats dagger on a stick, the battle pacifiers, have egwene bring nynaeve back) It surprisingly managed to jump back over the shark for season 3, but it was only going to get harder from there to translate the slog into television when they were going to need to do that.
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Not sure that's a theme some times as much as time and repetition were supposed to be.
I know it's not the easiest series to translate and in some cases, fix...but there were some changes (some of which Wolf mentioned) that made NO sense at all.
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I dunno, QB. but I can say that I hope some day before I'm dead, they'll reboot this with a much steadier hand and someone MUCH better versed in the source material to make things work smoother.
(Honestly still can't understand why they didn't have the storming of Illian since that was a pivotal scene.)
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I think the TV series has the flavor of the campaign laid forth in the books (its strong suit really).
They missed a lot of the flavor and almost all of the important flavor. It had some of the same scenes, but a lot of them are random or unearned just because random changes at point A didn't let them pull off part B. Apparently the people making the episodes were NOT working together. (and we saw how that went with star wars...) They had a lot of the same pivotal events but managed to miss the flavor by multiple leagues.
I'm not being a purist here. Battle of the two rivers added human darkfriends. Ok, yeah. It makes sense for filming and doesn't really break anything we've seen. Loial went out like a hero (and he's a little reduntant with perrin as "the big guy" and was hard to film well)
Besides the first few episodes in season 1 and the almost perfect flashback episode in season 3 they missed most to almost all of the flavor.
The biggest failing is the series is three farmboys go from backwater village to save the world. The series does almost nothing to give/show those farmboys personalities. Oh yeah, young males are totally overdone in fantasy.... (Jordan originally tried to write it with Thom as the main protagonist but couldn't get it to work)
Except that dynamic is the backbone of the tons of powerful women in the series. The Epic of Egwene might be a good story to tell. It probably wouldn't gain that large of a following now, it definitely wouldn't have back in the 90s.
It has the flavor all wrong. Mat isn't an ()#**#()$ he's an irreverent prankster with a heart of a hero. You can't tell mats being corrupted by the dagger because he starts out corrupt.
Andor is England under queen elizabeth, the throne backstabbing scene is straight out of Cairhien. Andor is supposed to be the well run sane country Run by a Queen so that when Rhavin takes it over you can notice its bad. (and also to give a positive non evil queen , which are rarer in fiction than female protagonists...)
Galad and Gawyn are not girl crazy frat bros. Galad is.. well Galahad the knight in shining armor, and what a classical knight is supposed to be. Gawayne isn't that far behind him.
Rand is an isolated backwater farmboy and would have turned as red as his hair at the sight of an uncovered ankle. Ditching that for "the sexy" is a big change. Probably the most understandable, but loses a lot of its flavor.
Other random changes are just inexplicably bad. Perrin having a wife just to be fridged in 30 seconds. His absurdly bad screw up in a fight means.. yeah maybe he shouldn't be allowed to hold sharp pointy objects in high stress situations.
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I'm with Wolf on some of these changes that didn't need to be made. I'm not a purist either. But at the same time, they took agency from the main characters and just randomly shoved things off.
I mean Padan Fain needed to be more than he was for goodness sake.