Martial Character w / Familiar


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Is there an archetype for a martial character that gains a Familiar? And if so, is the familiar level/abilities based on the archetype level, or the character level.

Example: 8th level Brawler, 2nd level Martial Archetype w/ familiar...is the familiar level 10, or level 2?

I am wondering if dipping into a familiar class would be effective.

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Eldritch warrior? Gets a familiar. The 'level' of a familiar is based on total levels in classes that advance the familiar, usually. However, HP and HD are based on whatever the owner's actually HP and character level is.

So, yeah, you could have a 15 hd, 100 Hp familiar that is effectively level 2, if that's how the character is built.

==Aelryinth


Bloodrager can get a familiar instead of his 1st level power, he's technically just a barbarian with extra magic stuff.
Rogues can get them, bards too...
Paladin has an archetype for a familiar i think as well, not sure where youd draw the line on what a martial character is... but nowadays its rare for a class NOT to have access to a familiar. And even then they can take familiar bond, eldritch heritage or other feats to grab them.

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One thing to note - if, like in your example, you have 8 levels in a familiar-less class like Brawler, and 2 in a familiar class, your familiar will still have half of your character's HP and all of their BAB/saves, but they will only have the abilities, AC and Int score of a level 2 familiar.


I'm a little curious why you want a familiar? Do you just want a fun animal buddy? Or were you wanting to do something more with it?


VMC Wizard can also net you a familiar at level 3. Along with several other pretty good boons, level 11 can-trip is meh but school powers + wizard school are awesome.


A fun animal buddy more or less, but I really find the Protector Familiar archetype to be interesting. Though, 2 levels in Alchemist with the Tumor Familiar Discovery gets me a Protector Familiar with Fast Healing 5.


The aberrant bloodline bloodrager can get the tumor familiar with the aberrant tumor feat, if that's of interest to you. That's not exactly a fun animal buddy though.


you'd need the familiar to be lv5 for it to have the shield other effect. So 2 levels of alchemist would also need boon companion. Otherwise it just has the bodyguard ability.


It comes in feat form. Although it's a pretty gimped version


You can use Boon Companion on a Familiar? That may be doable.


Interesting, as I took a level of Bloodrager a few levels back, but selected the Celestial bloodline. Can a bloodline be retrained? If so, what is the cost?

I assume a pile of gold and some precious prestige points.

In theory, I could retrain the bloodline and gain the aberrant bloodline, spend a feat for the tumor familiar and a 2nd feat to get Boon Companion, and then I would have a 5th level Protector familiar with half my HPS, my Base Saves, Base Attack Bonus, and Fast Healing 5. Plus, I could pick a familiar with a onus to either initiative or Will saves.

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Normally, you can't retrain the whole bloodline. If you've only taken one level, it's easiest to retrain the class entirely. It seems clear that you can retrain one class level into the same class with synergy, but it's a little gray, so the cleanest way would be to do it when you're gaining a level: retrain the Bloodrager level into Brawler, then take your new level as Bloodrager. Or pay 7PP instead of 5.

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Make sure your familiar takes the feat that grants it +2 hp/hd, for more survivability.

==Aelryinth


You're able to change your choice of class ability.

Class Feature:It takes 5 days to retrain one class feature.

Sorcerer: Retrain your bloodline. Doing so replaces your bonus spells, bloodline arcana, bloodline feats, and bloodline powers. This training takes 5 days for every bonus feat, bloodline arcana, and bloodline power you lose from changing bloodlines. See also retraining feats and retraining spells known.


Aelryinth wrote:

Make sure your familiar takes the feat that grants it +2 hp/hd, for more survivability.

==Aelryinth

You need to take that feat, not your familiar, and it only works for mauler familiars.


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Firewarrior44 wrote:
It comes in feat form. Although it's a pretty gimped version

As long as you have a 13+ Cha, you can get the full version (at character level -2, but that's usually sufficient) with Eldritch Heritage (select the Arcane bloodline).


Why not just train a mundane creature? Or buy a Homunculus - they don't have to be familiars.


I second the motion that a Martial should just take animal training and go from there. or leadership feat.


There is a fighter archetype which treats fighter level as wizard levels to determine familiar level:

Eldritch Guardian


Well you also have the "Chosen one" Paladin archtype that start with a familiar at lvl 1 and get a free upgrade at lvl 7.

I dont remember what it switches out, but the whole archtype is basically the JRPG hero stereotype for those who find that fancy.


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VRMH wrote:
Why not just train a mundane creature? Or buy a Homunculus - they don't have to be familiars.

Or buy a whole flock! Homunculi are the best. Sooooo cute!


That reminds me of something i have been wondering about. Can a bloodrager with the tumor familiar take the improved familiar feat? He does have casterlevels.


Woodoodoo wrote:
That reminds me of something i have been wondering about. Can a bloodrager with the tumor familiar take the improved familiar feat? He does have casterlevels.

He can, but the improved familiar can't take the Protector archetype, because it doesn't have speak with animals of its kind.

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Dracoknight wrote:

Well you also have the "Chosen one" Paladin archtype that start with a familiar at lvl 1 and get a free upgrade at lvl 7.

I dont remember what it switches out, but the whole archtype is basically the JRPG hero stereotype for those who find that fancy.

For the record, they delay a few Class Features (Smite comes at 2nd, Divine Grace at 4th), and lose Divine Bond and Channel Energy. They also lose Knowledge (Religion) as a Class Skill, since the point is that they're rather clueless about what's going on. The Familiar gets a bunch of cool stuff, though.

They're super neat thematically, and quite solid mechanically.


Doesn´t the Mauler archetype get Medium size when it "rages"... If so, you can make a small fighter, and ride your familiar into battle. Extra fun if you have a chicken as familiar (chocobo anyone?), or maybe one of those bunnies with a Horn in their forehead. Or simply a toad.. Endless possibilities.


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Deadmanwalking wrote:
For the record, they delay a few Class Features (Smite comes at 2nd, Divine Grace at 4th), and lose Divine Bond and Channel Energy.

The Chosen One doesn't seem to lose Channel Energy. The familiar just gains the ability to use it too. Slowed acquisition of abilities can hurt, but the only thing the Chosen One completely loses is its divine bond.

My favorite improved familiar choice for this archetype is the Cassisian, because you can wear it as a helmet. It may not be the strongest choice, but having a talking helmet sounds really fun.


Melkiador wrote:
Deadmanwalking wrote:
For the record, they delay a few Class Features (Smite comes at 2nd, Divine Grace at 4th), and lose Divine Bond and Channel Energy.

The Chosen One doesn't seem to lose Channel Energy. The familiar just gains the ability to use it too. Slowed acquisition of abilities can hurt, but the only thing the Chosen One completely loses is its divine bond.

My favorite improved familiar choice for this archetype is the Cassisian, because you can wear it as a helmet. It may not be the strongest choice, but having a talking helmet sounds really fun.

And while you are wearing them, they grant you their protective aura and can use their blasts on nearby enemies. I think one of their best features is their perfect memories. If they are present for a conversation, glance at a map, etc. you have a perfect record available to you.


Gisher wrote:

And while you are wearing them, they grant you their protective aura and can use their blasts on nearby enemies. I think one of their best features is their perfect memories. If they are present for a conversation, glance at a map, etc. you have a perfect record available to you.

It also get the ability to shape change back to the previous form at will, and it can use Lay on Hands and channel at the double cost of the lay on hands charges that the paladin have. ( Now that i have the rules in front )

Always wanted to play this archtype, but last time i got the oppertunity to play a goody-goody two shoes campagin i chose a celstial blooded Bloodrager with the steelblood archtype ^^;;

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