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Getting sick of running into barriers where people (online mostly) tell me I can't have common items because PFS bans items without a listed price. I find this especially fishy when I can use the gold price to pay for material costs of spells to acquire items which otherwise lack prices.
For example, what's the price of:
Fine Powdered Silver?
Fresh Berries?
Rocks?
Stools (chairs, not poop)?
Eggs?
Water?
Coins of specific currencies/minting?
Oak as a material for making weapons?
And, if an item lacks a Paizo price, does this mean it is truly unavailable in PFS play? How does this interact with PFS legal spells/feats/traits which require the unavailable item?
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Also, regarding spells which require a "pinch" of something. Does this pinch refer to the cooking term pinch or does it have alternate meaning?
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Getting sick of running into barriers where people (online mostly) tell me I can't have common items because PFS bans items without a listed price. I find this especially fishy when I can use the gold price to pay for material costs of spells to acquire items which otherwise lack prices.
For example, what's the price of:
Fine Powdered Silver= Part of a material component pouch.
Fresh Berries: Free with a survival check or lunch.
Rocks= free
Stools (chairs, not poop)? 2gp for a folding chair.
Eggs?
Water? free
Coins of specific currencies/minting? Varies.
Oak as a material for making weapons? You can't really make weapons, you could declare any wooden item oak if you wanted.
And, if an item lacks a Paizo price, does this mean it is truly unavailable in PFS play? How does this interact with PFS legal spells/feats/traits which require the unavailable item?
If a cost isn't listed it comes in a material components pouch. Otherwise what are you trying to get?
Material (M): A material component consists of one or more physical substances or objects that are annihilated by the spell energies in the casting process. Unless a cost is given for a material component, the cost is negligible. Don't bother to keep track of material components with negligible cost. Assume you have all you need as long as you have your spell component pouch.
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Silver 5 gp for 1 lb. feel free to grind it. (Trade good)
Berries and rocks can be collected - no charge
Stools - more questionable - there are a number of items in this category
Eggs - (If your looking as per the spell poisoned egg, you've got one in your component pouch whenever you need it), otherwise just get them as a meal (common) YMMV
Oak - so your quarterstaff is oak, cool. no need for a special material - call it oak. (Unless you want greenwood or darkwood, any normal tree type should be fine)
Water - free
Coins - trade good, exact exchange
The problem for a some items is when you want a mechanical benefit of something that exists in game and should have a price but doesn't - huge weapons, tiny weapons, etc. Also worth noting that any spell component without a price is taken care of by a spell component pouch. But yes if you want an item with no listed price expect table variation.
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And, if an item lacks a Paizo price, does this mean it is truly unavailable in PFS play? How does this interact with PFS legal spells/feats/traits which require the unavailable item?
If a cost isn't listed it comes in a material components pouch. Otherwise what are you trying to get?
Material (M): A material component consists of one or more physical substances or objects that are annihilated by the spell energies in the casting process. Unless a cost is given for a material component, the cost is negligible. Don't bother to keep track of material components with negligible cost. Assume you have all you need as long as you have your spell component pouch.
This.
You can also take the Eschew Materials feat to not have to track material components of up to 25gp, IIRC.
As far as coins and precious metals are concerned...
1PP=10GP=100SP=1000CP
Coins weigh 5lb for 50
Convert as necessary.
Bar, ore, or coin form doesn't change the value in Pathfinder (so for example, a 5lb hunk of silver is worth 5gp)
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(so for example, a 5lb hunk of silver is worth 5gp)
Actually silver is a specific trade good, a 5lb. hunk would be worth 25gp.
Price Item
1 cp Guinea pig, rat, wheat (1 lb.)
2 cp Beans (1 lb.), cheese (1 lb.), chicken, flour (1 lb.), potatoes (1 lb.), turnips (1 lb.)
3 cp Charcoal (20 lbs.), citrus (1 lb.), nuts (1 lb.), peat (20 lbs.)
5 cp Coffee beans (1 lb.), coal (20 lbs.), masonry stone (1 lb.), sugar (1 lb.)
1 sp Iron (1 lb.)
5 sp Copper (1 lb.), garlic (1 lb.), mint (1 lb.), mustard (1 lb.), oregano (1 lb.), thin leather (1 sq. yard), tobacco (1 lb.)
1 gp Allspice (1 lb.), basil (1 lb.), cinnamon (1 lb.), cloves (1 lb.), dill (1 lb.), glass (1 lb.), goat, honey (1 lb.), maple syrup (1 lb.), nutmeg (1 lb.), rosemary (1 lb.)
2 gp Beaver pelt, chilies (1 lb.), cardamom (1 lb.), cumin (1 lb.), fennel (1 lb.), ginger (1 lb.), pepper (1 lb.), saffron (1 lb.), sheep, vanilla (1 lb.)
3 gp Fox pelt, mink pelt, pig, thick leather (1 sq. yard)
4 gp Ermine pelt, linen (1 sq. yard)
5 gp Marble (1 lb.), salt (1 lb.), seal pelt, silver (1 lb.)
6 gp Wool (1 lb. or 1 sq. yard)
8 gp Cotton (1 lb. or 1 sq. yard)
10 gp Chocolate (1 lb.), cow, darkwood (1 lb.), silk (1 sq. yard)
15 gp Cloves (1 lb.), ox, saffron (1 lb.)
50 gp Cold iron (1 lb.), gold (1 lb.)
300 gp Adamantine (1 lb.)
500 gp Mithral (1 lb.), platinum (1 lb.)
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Also worth noting that any spell component without a price is taken care of by a spell component pouch. But yes if you want an item with no listed price expect table variation.
A spellcaster with a spell component pouch is assumed to have all the material components and focuses needed for spellcasting, except for components that have a specific cost, divine focuses, and focuses that wouldn't fit in a pouch. Most spell component pouches are waterproof and can be strung onto a belt or bandolier.
If the spell is one like Goodberry, Magic Stone, Shillelagh, or Poisoned Egg, the Spell Component Pouch does not apply. This is because the spell lacks material components. The fresh berries, pebbles, oak club, and eggs are the target of the spell, not a component or focus.
Collected/freely available things greatly depend on the setting. Although I agree they should be free, I'll note that PFS says nothing about the ability to fill an inventory sheet with "freely available" items.
You can also take the Eschew Materials feat to not have to track material components of up to 25gp, IIRC.
Eschew Materials is 1gp.
Yes! In the sense of how much they cost.A pinch is a pinch, by the common meaning. As much bat guano as you can grab between your thumb and forefinger.So is a halfling's pinch the same as an giant's pinch?
You are contradicting yourself.
If we use the cooking term, the size of the caster doesn't affect the quantity required. If we use the thumb and forefinger system, then the size of the hands determines the quantity required.
Even if the cost remains the same, the quantity can matter in-game.
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Someone once listed everything that can be found in a spell component pouch and concluded that you can live for days off of what you could eat in one... I concluded that they must be truly extra-dimensional in capacity despite not being inherently magical.
Don't worry about weights and measures. Accept this for what it is, a way of making the game more convenient for casters without agonizing over time-wasting trivia.
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Someone once listed everything that can be found in a spell component pouch and concluded that you can live for days off of what you could eat in one... I concluded that they must be truly extra-dimensional in capacity despite not being inherently magical.
Don't worry about weights and measures. Accept this for what it is, a way of making the game more convenient for casters without agonizing over time-wasting trivia.
except that does nothing to answer the question of where to acquire berries for a good berries spell
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Someone once listed everything that can be found in a spell component pouch and concluded that you can live for days off of what you could eat in one... I concluded that they must be truly extra-dimensional in capacity despite not being inherently magical.
Don't worry about weights and measures. Accept this for what it is, a way of making the game more convenient for casters without agonizing over time-wasting trivia.
A GM can rule that the Spell Component has been used up, you know.
It specifically has things which can fit inside, and has a listed weight of 2 lbs. Given a medium character requires 1lb of food per day to avoid starvation, a spell component pouch can be argued to contain no more than 2 days worth of food for a medium character.
It also lacks any refrigeration ability.
It's not extra-dimensional, and can be considered consumed whenever the GM determines is reasonable (not unlike any other mundane equipment).
In a single PFS session, this still will unlikely come up, but it can be an issue for non-PFS play.
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Or just remember that a spellcaster is constantly picking up things she needs for her pouch or pouches. So, for the minor material components, there is really no reason to not just hand wave.
If they are on an extended campaign where there is no chance to replenish, perhaps there are spellcasters along the way they can restock from?
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Evoker: "Crud, I'm running low on bat guano for my fireballs. Well, that's why I picked up Baleful Polymorph. Hay Mr. Fighter, come here, I'm going to cast a spell on you that will improve you hearing...."
What? Dung beetles don't have good hearing.... Wait, you mean you weren't going to get the fighters help collecting the component? You don't expect ME to collect it MYSELF?
A pinch is a pinch, by the common meaning. As much bat guano as you can grab between your thumb and forefinger.So is a halfling's pinch the same as an giant's pinch?
Until you get the boon for playing a giant pathfindeer, it's a moot point. A hafling's pinch can assumed to be the same price as a human's.
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Questions like this are the exact reason we *have* the "no price=not available" rule in PFS. It's simple, and it means we don't have to envision every possible abuse of a statement before it is made. I'm not saying that breaking things is the OP's intent, but it is the intent of enough people so that we have the rule in place.
If you as a player want to track how many berries or halfling-sized pinches of bat guano you are carrying, go for it. The game does not care about this level of detail. If you decide that you will suddenly put all of that stuff you wrote down on your sheet into a special bat-guano berry bomb that will coat invisible creatures and be flammable, though, expect your GM to just say no.
It's a game, not a simulation. There are game systems that are more detailed than Pathfinder, but they're not legal for PFS. ;)
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Until you get the boon for playing a giant pathfindeer, it's a moot point. A hafling's pinch can assumed to be the same price as a human's.A pinch is a pinch, by the common meaning. As much bat guano as you can grab between your thumb and forefinger.So is a halfling's pinch the same as an giant's pinch?
same price, but only 1/4 the amount. Like rations and everything else for halflings (small creatures).
Getting sick of running into barriers where people (online mostly) tell me I can't have common items because PFS bans items without a listed price. I find this especially fishy when I can use the gold price to pay for material costs of spells to acquire items which otherwise lack prices.
For example, what's the price of:
Fine Powdered Silver?
Fresh Berries?
Rocks?
Stools (chairs, not poop)?
Eggs?
Water?
Coins of specific currencies/minting?
Oak as a material for making weapons?And, if an item lacks a Paizo price, does this mean it is truly unavailable in PFS play? How does this interact with PFS legal spells/feats/traits which require the unavailable item?
If you find yourself in the worst of pedantic arguments and have to point to where you can purchase any of these items, here is a listing for them. These probably aren't the most price-efficient way of acquiring these items:
Fine Powdered Silver 5gp/lb (suggested by the trade goods entry for Silver and reinforced by the Bless Water description
Fresh Berries 1cp/lb for "Wheat Berries." This suggests that citrus fruit (3cp/lb) are botanically berries. If that's not good enough, 1gp/lb for Allspice Berries. (source)
Rocks 5cp/lb for Masonry Stone (source)
Stool I don't see a specific stool listing -- only a "chair" and "table" list
Egg I know I've seen these for 1cp each, but I can't find the listing. The cheapest egg I can source is 200gp for a Hippogriff egg but I don't think it's PFS legal 50gp for caviar, but it does not specify how many eggs you get for this price
Coin I know I've seen a coin-minting kit in 3.5e, but I don't see it anywhere here.
Oak I haven't found a listing for Oak, but Darkwood is 10gp/lb and firewood is 1cp/20lbs(source)
edited for eggs
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(so for example, a 5lb hunk of silver is worth 5gp)Actually silver is a specific trade good, a 5lb. hunk would be worth 25gp.
Price Item
1 cp Guinea pig, rat, wheat (1 lb.)
2 cp Beans (1 lb.), cheese (1 lb.), chicken, flour (1 lb.), potatoes (1 lb.), turnips (1 lb.)
3 cp Charcoal (20 lbs.), citrus (1 lb.), nuts (1 lb.), peat (20 lbs.)
5 cp Coffee beans (1 lb.), coal (20 lbs.), masonry stone (1 lb.), sugar (1 lb.)
1 sp Iron (1 lb.)
5 sp Copper (1 lb.), garlic (1 lb.), mint (1 lb.), mustard (1 lb.), oregano (1 lb.), thin leather (1 sq. yard), tobacco (1 lb.)
1 gp Allspice (1 lb.), basil (1 lb.), cinnamon (1 lb.), cloves (1 lb.), dill (1 lb.), glass (1 lb.), goat, honey (1 lb.), maple syrup (1 lb.), nutmeg (1 lb.), rosemary (1 lb.)
2 gp Beaver pelt, chilies (1 lb.), cardamom (1 lb.), cumin (1 lb.), fennel (1 lb.), ginger (1 lb.), pepper (1 lb.), saffron (1 lb.), sheep, vanilla (1 lb.)
3 gp Fox pelt, mink pelt, pig, thick leather (1 sq. yard)
4 gp Ermine pelt, linen (1 sq. yard)
5 gp Marble (1 lb.), salt (1 lb.), seal pelt, silver (1 lb.)
6 gp Wool (1 lb. or 1 sq. yard)
8 gp Cotton (1 lb. or 1 sq. yard)
10 gp Chocolate (1 lb.), cow, darkwood (1 lb.), silk (1 sq. yard)
15 gp Cloves (1 lb.), ox, saffron (1 lb.)
50 gp Cold iron (1 lb.), gold (1 lb.)
300 gp Adamantine (1 lb.)
500 gp Mithral (1 lb.), platinum (1 lb.)
That's silly, but I appreciate the correction. :)
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Stool I don't see a specific stool listing -- only a "chair" and "table" list
Egg I know I've seen these for 1cp each, but I can't find the listing. The cheapest egg I can source is 50gp for caviar, but it does not specify how many eggs you get for this price
Where'd you find the chair and table list? I've only been able to find "folding chairs"
That caviar bit is clever. I've been assuming chickens, but it really doesn't require them.
The Masonry point is also very clever.
Minor follow up question I need to double check. Large Club would still be free, right?
Stool I don't see a specific stool listing -- only a "chair" and "table" list
Egg I know I've seen these for 1cp each, but I can't find the listing. The cheapest egg I can source is 50gp for caviar, but it does not specify how many eggs you get for this price
Where'd you find the chair and table list? I've only been able to find "folding chairs"
That caviar bit is clever. I've been assuming chickens, but it really doesn't require them.
The Masonry point is also very clever.
Minor follow up question I need to double check. Large Club would still be free, right?
The "Table" is a Folding Table. The chair I referred to was just the Folding Chair mentioned earlier.
Come to think of it, an egg is just a chicken at a different life stage, so you might be able to convince a GM to allow you to purchase a chicken-egg for the price of a chicken (2 cp).
I think a large club is free (2 x -- = --), but it instantly drains 5gp from you the first time you call it a "greatclub"
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Come to think of it, an egg is just a chicken at a different life stage, so you might be able to convince a GM to allow you to purchase a chicken-egg for the price of a chicken (2 cp).
I think a large club is free (2 x -- = --), but it instantly drains 5gp from you the first time you call it a "greatclub"
Well, the Chicken Entry in the Familiar Folio says a hen bred for laying eggs produces one every 24 hours, so you'd be better off just getting a chicken, unless you couldn't wait.
The large club is -2 to attack with for being oversized, while the greatclub doesn't incur such penalties. But the question was more directed at "dash" times 2.
