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So my new GM has an interesting house rule. When your character dies, the other players get to pick the race and class of your new character. I actually really like this idea, maybe not all the time, but it's a nice way to mix things up and move people out of their comfort zone and it lets the party flush out its role gaps.

Now I've been playing Pathfinder since it came out and I'm familiar with all of the ideal builds. The challenge I want help with is finding the worst possible race/class combinations and then seeing if there is anyway to make it viable. The GM is generous with the rolling of stats but for this challenge I'm gonna restrict myself (and anyone else who wants to play) to an array of 18,16,14,12,10,8 and I'm gonna build to 6th level with a minimal amount of gear, no more than 12,000 gp worth.

My first thought for bad would be Kobold Barbarian. Can anyone think of worse?


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Kobold old Rogue? You'll need to eat up feats to become DEX-based, in which you become almost passable, but you still have two weak saves. Maybe a Kobold or Orc Rage Chemist Alchemist would have a tough time, too.

Duergar Sorcerer? -4 CHA will make you pretty unhappy, and your SLAs will be pretty much what you would cast normally anyways.

Or maybe an Android Untouchable Rager Bloodrager. Bloodrager is worse than base Barbarian if you try to unoptimize. Well, except for maybe the Wild Rager.

A Kyton-Spawn Tiefling Monk of the Healing Hand won't have a very happy time, either.

Also, Sleuth Investigator with STR/DEX/CON penalties will have a hard time.


I like the ideas, but let's aim for less specific, just race and class. I'll need the freedom to pick archtypes to make anything viable.

Sovereign Court

My Self wrote:
Duergar Sorcerer? -4 CHA will make you pretty unhappy, and your SLAs will be pretty much what you would cast normally anyways.

That one wouldn't be bad so long as they don't get to pick your bloodline. Just make an Empyreal sorcerer and cast with Wisdom.

Sovereign Court

Kobold barbarian would be pretty terrible.

Orc arcanist would be pretty bad since they need two mental stats.

Anything merfolk would be annoying due to the movement speed. (not as bad barbarian or monk I guess :P)

Svirfneblin bard would be rough - though the race as a whole is awesome enough to just about counter the bad combination. (unless you lose a level)


Agreed.

Just finished my Kobold Barbarian, I actually really liked how he turned out. Urban Barbarian and Beast Totem with weapon finesse and an Agile Amulet of Mighty Fists. I'll post the whole build later, but I would definitely play as him.


Poor race/class combos:
Kobold Core Rogue
Duergar Sorcerer
Android Bloodrager
Kyton-Spawn Tiefling Core Monk
Suli Investigator
Nosferatu-Born Dhampir Paladin
Monkey Goblin Skald

As for poor classes, regardless of race:
Sleuth Investigator
Wild Rager Barbarian
Monk of the Healing Hand
Cloistered Cleric


As promised, I present Draco the Kobold Barbarian

Kobold Urban Barbarian 6
CN Small Humanoid (Reptilian)
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DEFENSE
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HP 84 (6d12 +2 CON)
Rage:
AC 22, Touch 20, Flat-Footed 14 (+2 Armor, +8 Dex, +1 Size, +1 Deflection)
Fort 7, Ref 10, Will 2
Normal:
AC 20, Touch 18, Flat-Footed 14 (+2 Armor, +6 Dex, +1 Size, +1 Deflection)
Fort 7, Ref 8, Will 2
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OFFENSE
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Speed 30 ft.
Init: +10
Rage, Piranha Strike:
melee: Bite +13 (1d4+13), Claw x2 +13 (1d4+12), Tail Slap +8 (1d4+6)

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STATISTICS
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STR 10(14 -4 Racial)
DEX 21/27(18 +2 Racial +1 4th level / +2 Belt +4 Rage)
CON 14 (16 -2 Racial)
INT 8
WIS 10
CHA 12
Traits: Reactionary, Slithering Stride
Feats:
1) Weapon Finesse
3) Tail Terror
5) Piranha Strike

Skills:
+12/14 Acrobatics
+12 Intimidate
+6 Perception
+18 Stealth
Languages: Draconic
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Misc
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Alternate Racial Traits: Day Raider, Dragonmaw, Wyrmcrowned,
Rage Powers: Lesser Beast Totem, Intimidating Glare, Battle Roar
Favored Class Bonus: +1/4 natural attack damage x6
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GEAR (12,000 gp)
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-Silken Ceremonial Armor +1 (1180)
-Agile Amulet of Mighty Fists (4000)
-Belt of Incredibly Dexterity +2 (4000)
-Cap of Human Guise (800)
-Ring of Protection +1 (2000)
-20gp


I think a svirneblin Barbarian or Skald would be hilarious.

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