monk + Force armor

[stormborn125]

so monk has "He loses these bonuses....when he wears any armor" in the AC bonus part what happens if a spell or spell-like grants armor effects aka. mage armor, or the Legate's celestial armor

[David knott 242]

The mage armor spell isn't armor, so it is fine for a monk. Granting an armor bonus is not enough to make an effect into armor.

By contrast, the Legate paladin's celestial armor is described as actual armor and duplicates a spell that conjures actual specific types of armor.

[stormborn125]

David knott 242 wrote:

The mage armor spell isn't armor, so it is fine for a monk. Granting an armor bonus is not enough to make an effect into armor.

By contrast, the Legate paladin's celestial armor is described as actual armor and duplicates a spell that conjures actual specific types of armor.

it also describes itself as a force simmilar to mage armor hence the confusion

[avr]

Neither the legate paladin archetype nor the instant armor spell mention mage armor in any way. The relevant words in the instant armor spell are

Quote:

Instant armor acts in all ways as armor typical of its type (armor bonus, maximum Dexterity bonus, arcane spell failure chance, and so on).

[stormborn125]

avr wrote:

Neither the legate paladin archetype nor the instant armor spell mention mage armor in any way. The relevant words in the instant armor spell are

Quote:

Instant armor acts in all ways as armor typical of its type (armor bonus, maximum Dexterity bonus, arcane spell failure chance, and so on).

right after that it also says that it's a force

[avr]

But not that it's similar to mage armor. There is no rule that says that force effects in general look like one particular spell.

[Derklord]

The force part is irrelevant. The spell being a force effect or not has no bearing on whether Monk loses its abilities. The general rule that you're looking for doesn't exist.

Instant Armor behaves like physical armor, and thus effects things just like physical armor does. Mage Armor does not behave like physical armor, and therefore does not effects things just like physical armor does.

[thorin001]

stormborn125 wrote:

avr wrote:

Neither the legate paladin archetype nor the instant armor spell mention mage armor in any way. The relevant words in the instant armor spell are

Quote:

Instant armor acts in all ways as armor typical of its type (armor bonus, maximum Dexterity bonus, arcane spell failure chance, and so on).

right after that it also says that it's a force

Force is only relevant when interacting with incorporeals. Normally incorporeal things ignore armor bonuses to AC. Force effects apply their full value to AC against incorporeal attacks.