Where Is The Down Under?


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Where do the Australian animals, such as roos, come from? Is there a Golarian equivalent? Is it part of the Inner Sea region?

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I'm not sure where the animals themselves come from. For reasons that will become apparent, it's probably not the local Australia equivalent.

The Golarion equivalent to Australia is called Sarusan. It's in roughly the same position geographically, southeast of Tian Xia. From what little we know, it's probably much like pre-British Australia - aboriginal people, dream mythology, etc. Nobody's ever been there, and it's considered somewhat of a myth by most of those who have even heard of it.

There are no plans to develop it in the foreseeable future.


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Australia.


Actually Kalindara, people have been there, they just don't remember most, if not all that had transpired there.


Things get fuzzy when you're downing that much Foster's.

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Dragon78 wrote:
Actually Kalindara, people have been there, they just don't remember most, if not all that had transpired there.

Apparently I missed it. Do you have a source?


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Crocodile Dundee probably.

Grand Lodge

I'm not sure about 'roos, but thylacines and bunyips seem to be native to Avistan. They're found in Varisia and the River Kingdoms. At least the former were there since the Age of Serpents.

Dark Archive

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Given the magic available back in the highlight of the Azlanti, it's probably them to blame for critters (and foodstuffs, like tomatoes) from the Americas and Australia analogues of the setting being scattered liberally around the inner sea.

When you've got umpity dozen high level wizards teleporting all over the planet and bringing back new critters for their personal zoological menageries (or as familiars or guardian beasts), I'm sure 'invasive species' got out all the time, even if we dismiss the possibility that, in Golarion, tomatoes and thylacines didn't evolve on Avistan naturally...

The real question is why does Golarion, which, as discovered in Reign of Winter, exists in the same dimension as Earth, have Australia and Asia and Americas analogues at all? Is one an imperfect copy of the other? In an infinite universe will there be infinite copies of the same planet, with various differences? (This is the Golarion where Aroden lived! This is the Earth where Hitler won WW2!) :)

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Set wrote:

The real question is why does Golarion, which, as discovered in Reign of Winter, exists in the same dimension as Earth, have Australia and Asia and Americas analogues at all? Is one an imperfect copy of the other? In an infinite universe will there be infinite copies of the same planet, with various differences? (This is the Golarion where Aroden lived! This is the Earth where Hitler won WW2!) :)

I've been thinking this for a long time. ^_^

Grand Lodge

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Kalindlara wrote:
Set wrote:

The real question is why does Golarion, which, as discovered in Reign of Winter, exists in the same dimension as Earth, have Australia and Asia and Americas analogues at all? Is one an imperfect copy of the other? In an infinite universe will there be infinite copies of the same planet, with various differences? (This is the Golarion where Aroden lived! This is the Earth where Hitler won WW2!) :)

I've been thinking this for a long time. ^_^

I don't think the word copy is the right word to use. Copy implies that there is a main template that gets coppied over and over again. What Golarion and Earth are is parallel to one another. They are simmilar but different. But I do have some ideas that give potential answers that may satisfy you.

If you want to go with extremely theoretical physics, Golarion would probably be somewhere between a 7-9 dimension parallel world to Earth.(The point in different dimensions when the nature and laws of the universe changes)
If you want a pure fun science fiction answer, in quantum physics there is something called quantum entanglement where two subatomic particles behave exactly like one another across any distance. So perhaps Golarion and Earth have some sort of similar connection.
If you want a Futurama episode, there was an episode where the professor created a box that had a universe in it, while at the exact same time the parallel professor in the box universe created the universe that the first professor lived in. Maybe there is another similar connection with Earth and Golarion.
Hope that helps, confuses you, you enjoyed it, or all of the above. :)


It gets weirder when you consider humans. Humans exist on Earth, on Golarion, on Androffa. They are the same species. Distant Worlds gives a bunch of sapient humanoids on other planets, but none of them are human. (Some of them are mechanically the same as humans, I think just for simplicity.) So... why? Why is the same species on multiple planets separated rather distantly in space? If humans are common, why are they only on Golarion and not on any of the other ten populated planets in the star system?


Cthulu.


Echo Vining wrote:
It gets weirder when you consider humans. Humans exist on Earth, on Golarion, on Androffa. They are the same species. Distant Worlds gives a bunch of sapient humanoids on other planets, but none of them are human. (Some of them are mechanically the same as humans, I think just for simplicity.) So... why? Why is the same species on multiple planets separated rather distantly in space? If humans are common, why are they only on Golarion and not on any of the other ten populated planets in the star system?

I've actually been thinking about this for a while. I'm guessing since Androffa, Earth, and Golarion have such similar climates and terrain that one race made the planets to evolve humans or got apes from one original planet and dropped them on others. The most likely candidates would be the Elohim or the Annunnaki, although it really could be anything.


A wizard did it.

Acquisitives

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Echo Vining wrote:
It gets weirder when you consider humans. Humans exist on Earth, on Golarion, on Androffa. They are the same species. Distant Worlds gives a bunch of sapient humanoids on other planets, but none of them are human. (Some of them are mechanically the same as humans, I think just for simplicity.) So... why? Why is the same species on multiple planets separated rather distantly in space? If humans are common, why are they only on Golarion and not on any of the other ten populated planets in the star system?

the same answer to every other question in Pathfinder: the Aboleths.

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There's a reason this is still on the whiteboard in the editorial pit.

Grand Lodge

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I doubt anyone is interested but I have a few theories on that.

The first is that there could be an original god of humanity that when he or she created humanity he or she ended up creating them on multiple worlds.

The next theory is that humanity itself could have chosen to spread across the cosmos a very long time ago. Meaning humanity didn't originate on Golarion or Androffa but a third planet then made galactic empire which eventually collapsed on itself, but there are still pockets of humanity throughout the cosmos. This would have to be a very long time ago due to the fact that on Golarion their human races are spread out like our races across the planet. So there has been enough time to pass that some minor evolution has taken place. Roughly 50,000 to 100,000 years.

The last is from the TV show Farscape. The idea of genetic cousins. Two species that evolved on different worlds but are so closely related to each other they can reproduce. Elves and Orcs are examples of that though there might be some magic at play in their cases. The point though is that the "humans" on Androffa are not actually humans but incredibly similar to us.

Liberty's Edge

My pet theory concerning Humanity's presence on Golarion.

Humanity has been imported by the gods that survived Rovagug's defeat and imprisonment because of their incredibly high ability to evolve, adapt and conquer. This makes them the perfect species to make sure that Golarion (aka The Cage) remains forever impervious to any attempts to free the Rough Beast.

There is a risk that humans could become the key to freeing Rovagug, but such possibility is deemed so small that the gods are willing to make that gamble.

This means also that some of the gods of Golarion already knew about Humanity and its abilities. The likely culprits IMO are Erastil (who might be a post-Ragnarok Asgardian, maybe Odin, maybe another god), Pharasma (who saw many many humans and what they could achieve) and Asmodeus (who is also part of Earth's mythology).

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The Raven Black wrote:
Erastil (who might be a post-Ragnarok Asgardian, maybe Odin,

That sentence broke my brain. What a whacky cool idea!


captain yesterday wrote:
Things get fuzzy when you're downing that much Foster's.

Doing something wrong if you're drinking Foster's - we only make that for export and to rip off foreigners.


Set wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Erastil (who might be a post-Ragnarok Asgardian, maybe Odin,

That sentence broke my brain. What a whacky cool idea!

I'd guess that Erastil would be someone like Tyr or Skode, Odin is far too murdery and eldritch to be Erastil.

Liberty's Edge

Set wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Erastil (who might be a post-Ragnarok Asgardian, maybe Odin,

That sentence broke my brain. What a whacky cool idea!

Not my own. Somebody else said so. Maybe even one of the Paizonians


The Raven Black wrote:
Set wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
Erastil (who might be a post-Ragnarok Asgardian, maybe Odin,

That sentence broke my brain. What a whacky cool idea!

Not my own. Somebody else said so. Maybe even one of the Paizonians

Odin?! Erastil isn't anything like what Woden is portrayed as in Norse mythology. Or even Marvel comics. Odin is effectively a guile hero and something of an a~@%%*!. He's utterly consumed with Ragnarok and honestly cares nothing for anything else beyond making sure it happens the way it's supposed to because he's tied up in Fate from what he saw from Yggdrasil when he gave his eye for it. Odin is more manipulative than Loki in the original epics.

How in the world do you get Erastil from that? Pharasma maybe (and Odin was a psychopomp, using the original definition of 'one who leads the dead to their afterlife').

Acquisitives

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Adam Daigle wrote:
There's a reason this is still on the whiteboard in the editorial pit.

That's all part of the plan...

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