Are you allowed to use the Step Up feat during the same turn that you take a move action?
The rule on 5 foot steps (emphasis mine):
Take 5-Foot Step
You can move 5 feet in any round when you don't perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity. You can't take more than one 5-foot step in a round, and you can't take a 5-foot step in the same round that you move any distance.You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round.
You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn't hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can't take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature.
You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed.
The Step Up feat:
Step Up (Combat)
You can close the distance when a foe tries to move away.Prerequisite: Base attack bonus +1.
Benefit: Whenever an adjacent foe attempts to take a 5-foot step away from you, you may also make a 5-foot step as an immediate action so long as you end up adjacent to the foe that triggered this ability. If you take this step, you cannot take a 5-foot step during your next turn. If you take an action to move during your next turn, subtract 5 feet from your total movement.
Scenario:
Round 1:
On Fighter turn, Fighter moves 25 feet and attacks BadWizard.
On BadWizard turn, BadWizard takes 5 foot step away from Fighter.
At this point can Fighter use the Step Up feat during BadWizard's turn or not (since Fighter already moved this round)?
Thanks.
That's...actually an interesting question. Never really thought of this.
Since a 5' Step is usually it's own type of action, and since the Step Up Feat turns it into an Immediate Action, you should be alright. Though, I have no official citation to back myself up.
Yes. Specific rules trump general rules. The Step Up feat chain allows you to take 5ft steps when normally not allowed.
You don't think the rules for 5 foot step are specific?
Specifically, Step Up "borrows" five feet of movement from your next turn. Much like an immediate action uses your swift action for your next turn.
I understand it borrows 5 feet from their next movement, but should FIGHTER be allowed to take a 5 foot step THIS turn even though the rules specifically state he can't?
On Round 2, would you allow Fighter to use Step Up again even though it says he can't take a 5 foot step this turn?
Yes, because the feat specifically says he borrows movement from his next turn.
The devs design feats/abilities to work, and usually to be relatively simple to use. This seems quite clear to me.
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Yes. Specific rules trump general rules. The Step Up feat chain allows you to take 5ft steps when normally not allowed.You don't think the rules for 5 foot step are specific?
Specifically, Step Up "borrows" five feet of movement from your next turn. Much like an immediate action uses your swift action for your next turn.I understand it borrows 5 feet from their next movement, but should FIGHTER be allowed to take a 5 foot step THIS turn even though the rules specifically state he can't?
On Round 2, would you allow Fighter to use Step Up again even though it says he can't take a 5 foot step this turn?
The five foot step rules apply to everyone. The Step Up rules apply only to characters with the feat.
The Step Up feat lets you bend the general rule that you cannot five foot step and move in the same round by having it count as movement for your next round.
Yes, the fighter can use his Step Up feat.
Yes. Specific rules trump general rules. The Step Up feat chain allows you to take 5ft steps when normally not allowed.You don't think the rules for 5 foot step are specific?
No, because they aren't, they're general.
Are you allowed to use the Step Up feat during the same turn that you take a move action?
yes