Rules Question - Guardian Scroll

[Evan Riggs]

GUARDIAN Scroll CR 3
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XP 800
N Tiny construct
Init +2; Senses darkvision 60 ft., low-light vision; Perception +0

-----DEFENSE-----
AC 15, touch 15, flat-footed 12 (+2 Dex, +1 dodge, +2 size)
hp 27 (5d10)
Fort +1, Ref +5, Will +1
DR 5/magic; Immune bludgeoning, crushing, and falling damage, construct traits
Weaknesses susceptible to mind-affecting effects, vulnerable to fire

-----OFFENSE-----
Speed 10 ft., fly 40 ft. (perfect)
Melee slice +9 (1d4+3 plus bleed and grab)
Space 2-1/2 ft.; Reach 0 ft.
Special Attacks bleed (1d2), constrict (1d4+3), grab (Medium), slice, strangle

-----STATISTICS-----
Str 14, Dex 15, Con -, Int 4, Wis 10, Cha 12
Base Atk +5; CMB +5 (+9 grapple); CMD 18
Feats Dodge, Flyby Attack, Lightning Reflexes
Skills Acrobatics +4, Fly +20
Languages Common (can’t speak)

-----SPECIAL ABILITIES-----
Slice (Ex) A guardian scroll’s slice attack is a primary attack that deals slashing damage.

Strangle (Ex) When a guardian scroll grapples a creature, it entirely covers its opponent’s head with an airtight grip. A creature grappled by the scroll cannot see, speak, or cast spells with verbal components, and it must hold its breath (see Suffocation on page 445 of the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook). Creatures that don’t speak or breathe through their heads aren’t affected in those manners, nor are those who can see through other means blinded. Any attacks targeting a guardian scroll while it’s grappling deal half damage to the scroll and the other half to the grappled creature.

Susceptible to Mind-Affecting Effects (Ex) As an intelligent construct, a guardian scroll is subject to mind-affecting effects.

-----ECOLOGY-----

Question
Immune to Bludgeon,

a multiple damage type item
like Morning Star
a Claw attack
etc

do they ignore the immunity

does a magical bludgeoning/piercing weapon still hurt it.

i dont want the opinion of my players im looking for the opinion of the populace at large.

despite being the gm of the game, i still think blunt weapons shouldnt hurt it but they seem adamant on saying they should.

Please advise

[Harper101]

Page 144 of the core book states in the Type section:
"Some weapons deal damage of multiple types. If a
weapon causes two types of damage, the type it deals is
not half one type and half another; all damage caused is of
both types. Therefore, a creature would have to be immune
to both types of damage to ignore any of the damage caused
by such a weapon."

I don't think its been updated in any errata.

[Wyborn Cathmor]

That's the point of multiple damage types. The creature would be immune to say a war hammer, or a mace, but since a morning star, claws, bites, and things like that deal multiple damage types, they will still hurt the creature.

Type: Weapons are classified according to the type of damage they deal: B for bludgeoning, P for piercing, or S for slashing. Some monsters may be resistant or immune to attacks from certain types of weapons.

Some weapons deal damage of multiple types. If a weapon causes two types of damage, the type it deals is not half one type and half another; all damage caused is of both types. Therefore, a creature would have to be immune to both types of damage to ignore any of the damage caused by such a weapon.

[Evan Riggs]

I'd like to see some other replies before i make a personal ruling in my game.

other pov's

[Goth Guru]

It's like with alchemicle silver. There is a thin layer of silver bonded to the surface, but it might as well be solid sterling to lycanthropes.

Ether go with the rules that don't make sense to you, or announce homebrew from now on.

[mardaddy]

Harper quoted the rulebook and gave you the page.

The Scroll is affected by a Morningstar/claw/etc. at full damage.

BTW, I am DMing two groups on Mummy's Mask where this Guardian Scroll was encountered and I ruled it that way myself both times.

(didn't matter, still came veeeeery close to killing a PC through suffocation...)

[Lost In Limbo]

Harper101 wrote:

Page 144 of the core book states in the Type section:

"Some weapons deal damage of multiple types. If a
weapon causes two types of damage, the type it deals is
not half one type and half another; all damage caused is of
both types. Therefore, a creature would have to be immune
to both types of damage to ignore any of the damage caused
by such a weapon."

I don't think its been updated in any errata.

This is it.

Morningstar is B and P. So it deals full damage.

[jbadams]

Evan Riggs wrote:

I'd like to see some other replies before i make a personal ruling in my game.

other pov's

If you want to house-rule otherwise that's perfectly fine, but you've been quoted the relevant section of the rules; any opinion differing from that will not be correct according to the stated rules.

The weapons should do full damage unless you decide to house-rule otherwise.

:)

[Evan Riggs]

ty all very much, just wasnt sure and wanted more than two peoples perspectives.

see what i typically do when there is a dispute where i dont agree with my players i come here i make a post, which im going to be posting a mythic query shortly. i likke to see at least 3 or more people's view. be it as written or as intended or w/e. thats usually how i finalize my arguments.

so again ty