Here is the link. Tell me what you think, and if you would add anything. Although, I have somewhat of an investment in this "build." But I'd like your input all the same.
The race is more powerful than a human, which is already considered one of the strongest races in the game. A human gets +2 to one score, a bonus feat, and 1 skill point per level. This race gets a +2 to TWO scores, a bonux feat, scent, a natural attack, and more. I also don't think you used the race builder correctly.
There's no such thing as the "canine subtype."
I like how orcs revere them as animal spirits. When I see anthropomorphic race lore, I usually see discrimination as the cliche trope. So, this was a welcome change of pace.
I agree that it's a bit much. Now, a +2 to Constitution and then another +2 and maybe a -2 based on fur color could be interesting. I'd suggest taking a look at the Skinwalker race Paizo made for examples of one race having really different subtypes.
There's no such thing as the "canine subtype."
Before a new race is introduced, it's subtype doesn't exist. There was no "strix" subtype before the Strix, for example.
I would change it to humanoid(garou) though.
There's no such thing as the "canine subtype."Before a new race is introduced, it's subtype doesn't exist. There was no "strix" subtype before the Strix, for example.
I would change it to humanoid(garou) though.
I'm more implying that dogs, wolves, etc don't have the canine subtype and neither should this race. As per the race builder guidelines, all humanoids need a subtype that should be either the race's name or an existing subtype.
beside my knee-jerk reaction of "oh dear god not another animal race"... but that race is very over powered... any 2 stats with no negatives... free feat... those two thing ALONE make it among the best possible races
I agree that it's a bit much. Now, a +2 to Constitution and then another +2 and maybe a -2 based on fur color could be interesting. I'd suggest taking a look at the Skinwalker race Paizo made for examples of one race having really different subtypes.
There's no such thing as the "canine subtype."Before a new race is introduced, it's subtype doesn't exist. There was no "strix" subtype before the Strix, for example.
I would change it to humanoid(garou) though.
It was hard to decide how to give them a -2 in anything. If it actually exists somewhere in the Universe, the race thinks of itself as the expression of what it is to be human. And if the race actually exists, its the source of our werewolf legends. How about +2 Constitution, +2 Wisdom, -2 Charisma?
Yes it would be interesting to do subtypes. But I won't do it. The reason is, it gives a justification for racism. There are 4 human subtypes: white, brown, black, and yellow. And you can divide us further into 12, and then there are about 130 different ethnic groups. Should we divide humans into sub-races? I think it won't be wise if I did it here. :)
Here is the edit on the race. It's down to 13 pts.
Still amazing. The flavor in their ability scores is way off though, since they are quite literally twice as good as humans.
Still amazing. The flavor in their ability scores is way off though, since they are quite literally twice as good as humans.
I removed the flexible bonus feat. It's down to 9 pts.
Looks much better now.
Yes it would be interesting to do subtypes. But I won't do it. The reason is, it gives a justification for racism. There are 4 human subtypes: white, brown, black, and yellow. And you can divide us further into 12, and then there are about 130 different ethnic groups. Should we divide humans into sub-races? I think it won't be wise if I did it here. :)
I don't understand what you're arguing here. Races in D&D/PF are not comparable with real world race issues. Dwarves and elves are completely different species -- especially elves in Pathfinder, which are aliens from another planet. A subtype is not an ethnicity. It's a game mechanic. All humanoids should have a subtype. By default, they have a subtype that matches the name of the race.
Looks much better now.Yes it would be interesting to do subtypes. But I won't do it. The reason is, it gives a justification for racism. There are 4 human subtypes: white, brown, black, and yellow. And you can divide us further into 12, and then there are about 130 different ethnic groups. Should we divide humans into sub-races? I think it won't be wise if I did it here. :)I don't understand what you're arguing here. Races in D&D/PF are not comparable with real world race issues. Dwarves and elves are completely different species -- especially elves in Pathfinder, which are aliens from another planet. A subtype is not an ethnicity. It's a game mechanic. All humanoids should have a subtype. By default, they have a subtype that matches the name of the race.
I . . .
hmm . . .
What you are asking might be best be put into an expansion. Possibly a whole race book. I'll think about it and draw something up for Friday, after my move. :)
Looks much better now.Yes it would be interesting to do subtypes. But I won't do it. The reason is, it gives a justification for racism. There are 4 human subtypes: white, brown, black, and yellow. And you can divide us further into 12, and then there are about 130 different ethnic groups. Should we divide humans into sub-races? I think it won't be wise if I did it here. :)I don't understand what you're arguing here. Races in D&D/PF are not comparable with real world race issues. Dwarves and elves are completely different species -- especially elves in Pathfinder, which are aliens from another planet. A subtype is not an ethnicity. It's a game mechanic. All humanoids should have a subtype. By default, they have a subtype that matches the name of the race.I . . .
hmm . . .
What you are asking might be best be put into an expansion. Possibly a whole race book. I'll think about it and draw something up for Friday, after my move. :)
I'm not asking anything.
Low-Light Vision is amazing. All the light examples you gave are doubled by LLV, not darkvision. As far as i can tell, if you have darkvision 60ft and are in the middle of a 60ft lighted area, you can't see something 120ft away in the darkness.
just curious do they have humanoid legs? where the knee bends at the front or wolf legs where it bends at the back?
They are plantigrade (heel and toe strike the ground), as opposed to digitgrade (toe strikes the ground only). The second "knee" is actually the heel. A lot of people say digitgrade is better, but if evolution is giving sapient races a plantigrade foot most every time, then there has to be some kind of an advantage.
I think that most plantigrade races, including humans, are endurance runners the plantigrade foot shows its advantage in how it's used in endurance running. Unlike other, certain, animals -- the human being is built for endurance running and not for endurance walking. I'm expecting that the Garou are endurance runners. As for digitgrade, it's used for sprinting. Sprinters need digitgrade feet so that they can sprint at high speed.
However, an Endurance Hunter can run for far longer than sprinting prey. The video explains it better than I could.
Great race! Well done. I hope I get to play one in my next PF game as I have long wanted to play a Palladium style Wolfen in a PF game and this is a dang good start (with obvious "flavor" differences).