Pharasma and Immortality


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Really just what the subject is.
Have we been given anything to know if Pharasma is for or against immortal characters?
Just curious, my imperious sorcerer is approaching level 20 and was hoping i wouldn't have to change religions or something...


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I would imagine she thinks "don't worry, there are more than enough people out there willing to solve that problem for you".

I am pretty sure there are like...three different categories of outsiders with a monster whose whole thing is killing immortals. Daemons, inevitables...pretty sure there is an aeon. That is several different places across the alignment spectrum. I am not sure whether stopping immortality is a 'bad' thing as far as the great beyond is concerned (for the obvious reason that pretty much everyone hanging around there probably died once themselves, so they think you might just be a whiney baby)


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Copy and pasted from the Ask James Jacobs thread:

James Jacobs wrote:
Lemmy wrote:

So...

1- What would Pharasma think of a mortal who obtained immortality without resorting to undeath?
2- What if instead of immortality, the mortal somehow "only" became able to live for a few milenia?
3- Are her priests held to a higher standard? e.g.: Would they lose their powers due to achieving said longevity, even if a non-worshipper wouldn't bother Pharasma at all?

I'm thinking of creating an Inquisitor of Pharasma for my next game, but due to the nature of the campaign, I might have to deal with people achiveing unusually longives and maybe immortality.

1) She's fine with that because she knows that kind of immortality is just a delaying tactic and will eventually end anyway.

2) Same thing to her, since no mortal has yet to live long enough to make her worry. Remember, she can see ahead in time as well, and knows those "immortal" mortals are just deluding themseles.

3) Nope. If one of her priests lives a long time, it's because she wanted it to happen.

James Jacobs is the Creative Director for Paizo.


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Only if they're undead immortals. She has no problems with any of the ascended mortals who became gods. She herself is immortal so it'd be hypocritical...


It's kind of unclear how Pharasma feels about immortality.

She abhors undead, but you are not one.

She is also heavily invested in fate, life, death, rebirth, and such. I could see it going either way in regards to immortality.

Inevitables definitely wont like you. One of their missions is to execute anyone who transcend mortality. There is even a specific type of inevitable (the name of which I am blanking on) that has the specific mission and each time it is destroyed a new better version is made to continue on the mission.

It's best to ask your GM about this sort of thing.

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Claxon wrote:
There is even a specific type of inevitable (the name of which I am blanking on)

Marut


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I'm curious how Pharasma reacts to the Iroran Mummies personally.

"Some enlightened members of the faith, particularly monks, are so aware of their own bodily processes that they can sense their approaching death from old age, knowing in advance the day or even the hour they will pass. A few ofthese wise folk employ a method of self-mummification, using a diet of poisonous nuts and teas that prevents their corpses from putrefying after death. These masters oflife and death leave behind their bodies to watch over Irori’s temples, and in some cases these bodies animate as mummies to defend the temple against threads. These dried but perfectly preserved Iroran mummies are extraordinarily rare, and their magical attacks have no effect on Irori’s worshipers, but otherwise they have nearly the same statistics as normal mummies."

The mortals lived full lives, died, and passed on through Pharasma's judgement to join Irori in their destined beyond. Occasionally, however, they return to their bodies to guard the faithful and Irori's temples from harm. Technically they are undead, but they aren't using the undead status to avoid the natural process, not exactly. And they don't remain undead once the faithful aren't in danger anymore, returning to Irori's side where Pharasma sent them.


"Iroran Mummies"?!?
Oh where are these mentioned, please?

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Dragon's Demand.


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Given other things James Jacobs has said, it's no surprise Pharasma doesn't care about "natural" immortal. She doesn't seem to care about much of anything.

To the point that at one point he said she was more powerful than Rovagug, but wouldn't deign to stop him when he was running amok. Even though, to my knowledge, Rovagug succeeding in his goal would render her entire existence pointless. Pharasma doesn't seem like a very bright goddess.

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Rynjin wrote:

Given other things James Jacobs has said, it's no surprise Pharasma doesn't care about "natural" immortal. She doesn't seem to care about much of anything.

To the point that at one point he said she was more powerful than Rovagug, but wouldn't deign to stop him when he was running amok. Even though, to my knowledge, Rovagug succeeding in his goal would render her entire existence pointless. Pharasma doesn't seem like a very bright goddess.

If Rovagug succeeds eventually there'll be nothing left to destroy, a fine way to end a destroyer God.

Pharasma is well aware that everything ends.

In fact that's sort of her whole deal.


everyone's mortal to Pharasma


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She also saw that they didn't her help to be victorious. She isn't dumb, she just doesn't meddle. She is the perfect arbiter, and treasures that status.

Also, I found my bit about Iroran Mummies from Inner Sea Gods I believe.


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LilyHaze wrote:

I'm curious how Pharasma reacts to the Iroran Mummies personally.

"Some enlightened members of the faith, particularly monks, are so aware of their own bodily processes that they can sense their approaching death from old age, knowing in advance the day or even the hour they will pass. A few ofthese wise folk employ a method of self-mummification, using a diet of poisonous nuts and teas that prevents their corpses from putrefying after death. These masters oflife and death leave behind their bodies to watch over Irori’s temples, and in some cases these bodies animate as mummies to defend the temple against threads. These dried but perfectly preserved Iroran mummies are extraordinarily rare, and their magical attacks have no effect on Irori’s worshipers, but otherwise they have nearly the same statistics as normal mummies."

The mortals lived full lives, died, and passed on through Pharasma's judgement to join Irori in their destined beyond. Occasionally, however, they return to their bodies to guard the faithful and Irori's temples from harm. Technically they are undead, but they aren't using the undead status to avoid the natural process, not exactly. And they don't remain undead once the faithful aren't in danger anymore, returning to Irori's side where Pharasma sent them.

LilyHaze wrote:

She also saw that they didn't her help to be victorious. She isn't dumb, she just doesn't meddle. She is the perfect arbiter, and treasures that status.

Also, I found my bit about Iroran Mummies from Inner Sea Gods I believe.

To the best of my knowledge, Pharasma would hate them as much as any undead - not necessarily the creature itself, but rather the undead state is what is abhorent to her, it seems.

I think there is a passage somewhere that talks about how she views them as a perversion or desecration or corruption or something like that of the "bones" (or, one presumes, spirit), and thus abhors all undead, regardless. Again, though, even if she likes the person, the undead must be destroyed or undeath annulled.

That said, she doesn't seem to be too concerned with "every little instance" and, instead, focuses on things that, to her, actually matter. Hence, she'd be far more likely to bother with super-undead-creating necromancer than Irori mummy-priests who will likely crumble to dust anyway.

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