Natural attacks are considered light weapons right?


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I mean they can be weapon finessed, so I'm guessing they do in some aspects, so I was curious if stuff like piranha strike and (dare I say it?) slashing grace could be used with them since that errata changed what the feat could apply to, or is the weapon finesse bit something explicitly called out that it works?

That kitsune natural attacker may not be so far fetched of an idea if at least slashing grace worked.


noble peasant wrote:

I mean they can be weapon finessed, so I'm guessing they do in some aspects, so I was curious if stuff like piranha strike and (dare I say it?) slashing grace could be used with them since that errata changed what the feat could apply to, or is the weapon finesse bit something explicitly called out that it works?

That kitsune natural attacker may not be so far fetched of an idea if at least slashing grace worked.

I'm not seeing the rule anywhere that Natural Weapons/Attacks are always considered Light Weapons. That is the case for Unarmed Strikes, but not all Natural Weapons are Unarmed Strikes. I've looked under Natural Attacks in the Beastiary, the Weapons table, and the Combat section, and I'm not seeing anything that references Natural Weapons = Light Weapons. I'd ask your GM to see how he rules it.

Also, Slashing Grace would not work at all. Here's why:

Slashing Grace wrote:
You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied.

If you tried to use 2 claws, that counts as using 2 weapons, and therefore Slashing Grace does not apply.

One weapon, one set of iteratives, and that's it. You get anything other than that, Slashing Grace fails to function. FAQ for further information.


Hm... You know I guess it doesn't... Huh, even the PFS group never questioned whether you could finesse them or not. I just did. :/ were claws an bite in that list?


noble peasant wrote:
Hm... You know I guess it doesn't... Huh, even the PFS group never questioned whether you could finesse them or not. I just did. :/ were claws an bite in that list?

Nope. Universal Monster Rules has them listed under the Natural Attacks, but nothing in that entry mentions Natural Weapons being Light Weapons.

I don't even see a FAQ regarding Natural Weapons as Light Weapons anywhere, either.

It might just be a PFS rule.

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Natural attacks are light weapons (though they are never expressly defined as such in the rules).


http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2sk2o&page=5?Slashing-Grace-and-otherwise-o ccupied#208

Mark Seifter wrote:
I can confirm, through my conversation with the PDT about natural weapons in the wording of the FAQ, that the FAQ's use of the singular "weapon" in "Attacking with natural weapons beyond the weapon you chose for Slashing Grace also does not work" means that you pick one claw, even if you are an eidolon with eight claws, etc, as Imbicatus surmises. If you use something to make iteratives all with the same claw, as Lune suggested, then that works, though FCT doesn't seem to work for that.

Scarab Sages

You would be better off just using Unarmed Strikes and using Boar or Tiger Style to make the damage slashing. At least that way you can use iterative attacks.

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