I'm sorry, I'm playing with my friends and don't own the game so I cannot remember titles of some cards or their exact wording. But the situation was really interesting and I want to know whether you think we played it correctly.
Here's what happened. I play Seoni. In Scenario 2-4 ("Into the Citadel"?) I was in The Great Hall, which reads: "When you encounter a henchman, summon and encounter the Servitor Demon first".
Servitor demon in Adventure 2 is not really magic-friendly, you have to pass an arcane check to play spells.
In that location I encountered the henchman Chorussina that also forces you to encounter the Servitor Demon. Thus I needed to encounter 2 Servitor Demons, and then Chorussina, and of course I didn't make it, so she gets shuffled back into The Great Hall.
Now it looks like a good time for me to move away from The Great Hall... But maybe not: in this scenario when you move you have to encounter another Henchman (I don't remember her name), and you have to pass an Arcane 12 to play spells against her and if she is undefeated and you don't have any armor (like I didn't) you just bury your entire hand!
Maybe I could pull it off (the Arcane check and then the Combat check of 18 I think) with a couple of blessings, but then we thought that since I am in The Great Hall I have to encounter the Servitor Demon even before I encounter that other henchmen!
So I say to myself, OK, I just stay here and try my chances with Chorussina. Maybe I can do it with a couple of blessings. Guess what I found there next? Bilious Bottle! So now if I stay here and explore I face taking 1d4+1 damage at the start of my turn and then I have to fight 3 henchmen if I find Chorussina! I couldn't but admire the trap that had been set so ingeniously!
I can just stay in The Great Hall doing nothing. But if I don't explore we loose a blessing from the blessing deck - scenario rules!
Nevertheless this is what I was forced to do. Miraculously, we managed to win on our last blessing - I temporary closed The Great Hall by Perception with a blessing and armor bonus of +2, so that the villain could not escape there.
What do you think of this scenario? Do you think we interpreted the rules correctly? Does "when you move" occurs at the location you are moving from?
You almost played it correctly, but went a bit too hard on yourselves. Summoned cards cannot cause other cards to be summoned, so when you summon Kiranda due to the During This Scenario power for moving you do not also summon the servitor demon.
While it is true that Kiranda herself isn't causing the demon to be summoned (the At This Location power for Great Hall is), if you think about it the rule still applies since summoning Kiranda is what would cause you to summon the servitor demon. If that were not the case, summoning the servitor demon would get you an infinite loop since the servitor demon is also a henchman. As such, the only sensible interpretation of "cause another card to be summoned" is one where it isn't necessarily the summoned card itself doing the summoning, just that the summoned card is somehow the cause of the summoning via other means.
Everything else looks correct, and congratulations on your very narrow win. Scenarios where it comes down to the wire are by far the most exciting in my experience because the group feels so relieved after it's all over :)
We usually send a martial to locations where a lot of combat checks are needed.
Bilious Bottle is nasty indeed.
You almost played it correctly, but went a bit too hard on yourselves. Summoned cards cannot cause other cards to be summoned, so when you summon Kiranda due to the During This Scenario power for moving you do not also summon the servitor demon.
Yeah, I agree with this. You get the Servitor Demon if you encounter Choroussina, but I don't think you have to encounter the demon if you're moving and encounter Kiranda.
You almost played it correctly, but went a bit too hard on yourselves. Summoned cards cannot cause other cards to be summoned, so when you summon Kiranda due to the During This Scenario power for moving you do not also summon the servitor demon.Yeah, I agree with this. You get the Servitor Demon if you encounter Choroussina, but I don't think you have to encounter the demon if you're moving and encounter Kiranda.
Thank you, this makes sense! I remember hearing about the rule that a summoned monster cannot summon another monster, but here with the location triggering a monster to be summoned as a result of encountering a henchmen it somehow didn't click with us that this is the same thing.
I don't necessarily think it's the same thing - the rule is "Summoned cards cannot cause other cards to be summoned." (p.15)
I could see both interpretations, but I'd have to dig up the old threads that triggered this errata to figure out what happened there.
I don't necessarily think it's the same thing - the rule is "Summoned cards cannot cause other cards to be summoned." (p.15)
I could see both interpretations, but I'd have to dig up the old threads that triggered this errata to figure out what happened there.
See my original reply. If "summoned cards cannot cause other cards to be summoned" is meant to be read as only applying when the summoned card itself is doing the summoning, then you'd have an infinite loop in the Great Hall when you encounter a henchman or villain, as the servitor demon is also a henchman:
1. Encounter some henchman at Great Hall
2. Great Hall summons servitor demon and you encounter it
3. Repeat step 2 ad infinitum because you just encountered another henchman
I think we can all agree that the above scenario is absolutely absurd, meaning that a strict interpretation of "summoned cards cannot cause other cards to be summoned" applying only to the summoned card itself is incorrect.
If that interpretation is incorrect, the only other reasonable interpretation of that sentence is that summoned cards cannot be the cause of other cards being summoned. In the Great Hall, the cause for the servitor demon being summoned is the fact you encountered a henchman or villain. As a result, if the encountered henchman or villain was summoned, then the Great Hall effect does not kick in again as it would otherwise be a case of a summoned card causing another card to be summoned. QED.
I don't think it matters what card specifies that another card be summoned. I think what matters is what triggers the summoning. A summoned card cannot trigger another summoning.
The original FAQ (here) was in response to a scenario power which summoned a henchman. It was not the summoned card that did the summoning.
Edit: Ninja'd.