True. Yet I just can't see the fans of 3.5. or PF rushing out to buy another 3.5./PF unless it address all or at least some of the flaws of the system. My gaming group and myself see no reason to buy another edition which continues the martial.caster disaprity.
That's not necessarily a show-stopper -- at least a few years ago, more 1st Edition clones and semi-clones existed than I can remember.
Well, one COULD make a 3.x/PF semi-clone that did something about this . For instance, nerf specific overpowered spells (DON'T nerf the casting class features overall(*)); give high-level martials ways to overcome magic other than Saving Throws, Superstition, and Bravery; and give martials more opportunities to do supernatural-appearing extraordinary things.
(*)Except when needed to fix RAW-vs-RAI cheese like Magus Arcane Mark Spell Combat shenanigans
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Relevant.Amusingly, I picture my bards whistling the Indiana Jones theme when casting or using luck.
I want a new drug. One that won't make me sick....
^Who says you have to shoehorn Saves into the Pathfinder/D&D 3.x Three Saves? Just adopt Saves on all 6 stats, but give martials a broader selection of good Saves (as a fraction of the total number of Saves) relative to what most of them have now. Of course, this is getting closer to Pathfinder 2.0 territory . . .
Pathfinder is more than a fun experiment -- is an awesome experiment that shows the way forward for the next experiment that improves on it (unlike 4th Edition, which as far as I have been able to determine, only succeeded in showing what NOT to do). I haven't heard of FantasyCraft until just now, but Kirthfinder (which is linked from somewhere on these boards) takes at least a small shot at going forward from Pathfinder.
True. Yet I just can't see the fans of 3.5. or PF rushing out to buy another 3.5./PF unless it address all or at least some of the flaws of the system. My gaming group and myself see no reason to buy another edition which continues the martial.caster disaprity.
That's not necessarily a show-stopper -- at least a few years ago, more 1st Edition clones and semi-clones existed than I can remember.
Well, one COULD make a 3.x/PF semi-clone that did something about this . For instance, nerf specific overpowered spells (DON'T nerf the casting class features overall(*)); give high-level martials ways to overcome magic other than Saving Throws, Superstition, and Bravery; and give martials more opportunities to do supernatural-appearing extraordinary things.
Bravery overcomes magic? This is news to me.
Paladins get a much better class feature (Divine Grace) at the same level, which provides a comparable or better boost. Then next level, they get an aura that blows Bravery out of the water.
Well, that's what I meant. Bravery is intended to overcome fear effects (including those from magic), but it doesn't do a good job (although as I understand it, it also works against mundane Intimidate, although again not very well), because it rides on top of a bad Save. Paladin's Divine Grace (which I forgot to mention) does a considerably better job, because it rides on top of a good Save.
Likewise, the as-is saves of martials don't really cut it either. Using what I said above about expanding Saves to all 6 stats (like 5th Edition D&D), martials should get anywhere from 3 (Magus) to 5 good Saves. (Monks should get 6 good Saves -- what's up with the Unchained Monk nerfing the Will Save?)
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I forgot about Fantasycraft. Thx for bringing it up. From what I remember reading it felt different. Or at least more different than PF is from 3.5. The negative at least in my neck of the woods is that PF is more popular.
I still maintain that any PF clone has to be different if not much at least more than a rehash. With 3pp to fill and/or fix the gaps of PF. I take going to really need to standout from PF IMO. At the very least the devs of such a clone need to show that they are willing to develop more interesting archetypes than Paizo. It's not a good thing to me at least when one finds more interesting and inspiring sterol in 3pp and 3.5. I'm thinking of adapting the Holy Warrior and some prestige classes from Book of Righteousness. Simply because they have better flavour and more option as well as not being balanced for PFS.
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As to why the UC Monk will save was nerfed my position on that is simply not to ask why. Out of all the Monk are a terrible class threads that we're posted pre-UC. Almost no one complained about the saves. So I do not and still do not understand why that save was targeted. One of my favorited reasons for playing a Monk was that all saves sent up equally.
They take such a hit to spell casting by using the bard stuff, I don't know why the other restrictions are there as well. I'll probably just come up with my own archetype then, until this one is fixed, if ever.How about the Primagus or the Cabalist?
Because where Paizo sucks not 1's at something, 3rd party at least gets a critical threat. ;)
I'll take a look at those, thanks man!