Allies Occupying same square


Rules Questions


Hey guys,

Quick question.

I'm a hunter with 2 companions, and I'm using Pack Flanking, which allows me to flank from the same square (shared with my companion) but would it still result in loss of dex to AC?

It's not overly important (but still extremely useful) if I can use it. It's a nice added bonus, because being able to flank an opponent with my companion right next to me is fantastic. But it would be even better to be able to inhabit the same square with no penalty.

Cheers


Should result in squeezing penalty, unless the Pack Flanking write-up specifically negates it.


So, here is the feat:

ACG p153 Pack Flanking wrote:

You and your companion creature are adept at fighting together against foes.

Prerequisites: Int 13, Combat Expertise, ability to acquire an animal companion.
Benefit: When you and your companion creature have this feat, your companion creature is adjacent to you or sharing your square, and you both threaten the same opponent, you are considered to be flanking that opponent, regardless of your actual positioning.
Normal: You must be positioned opposite an ally to flank an opponent.

So the key here is that it is allowing you to count as flanking if adjacent or sharing the same square. Not just if you are sharing the same square.

What does that mean? It means the typical use will be adjacent creatures fighting together, not creatures sharing the same square.

However, it allows for creatures who share the same square (such as Rider and Mount) to still benefit.


yeah, I figured as much. Looks like I'm strapping a saddle to my bear ;)

But nah. I'll primarily focus on adjacent then. That's still going to be incredibly useful.


There are strictly speaking no penalties for fighting in the same square as an ally. Your GM is free to impose the squeezing penalties IF s/he feels it is appropriate, but there is no rule to say that they should apply. Also it's really hard to actually set up as it is illegal to end your movement in an allies square.

Read Stynkk and Dumb Paladin(because linking is easier than copy paste)
FAQ of limited use


There are no penalties for fighting in the same square because normally you and your ally cannot legally occupy the same square. Squeezing does not get around this rule.
There are exceptions (the very small sizes, mounts, spring attack, etc.).


Right, well I'll talk to my GM about it.

Because I'm using Hunter (Packmaster) I can have more companions as well.

Would it still be considered flanking if I got a mouse and put it in my pocket?


No, because the mouse has to be able to threaten the opponent.

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