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For a rogue? Vanish.
For a rogue? Vanish.
Yeah, that's the one.
Vanish is the natural choice. If you're looking at taking Quicken Spell-Like Ability, I'd probably also consider True Strike.
It's also worth noting that you typically aren't allowed to augment something before you have it, so this would have to wait until 3rd level at least. Your GM can overrule that, of course.
I assume Acid Splash is the 0-level?
Vanish is the obvious choice, though things like Dazzling Blade, Thunderstomp or just free Shield can be useful depending on the character.
Chill Touch or Frostbite could be good choices too.
Magic Missile can be good in its own weird way, you can't sneak attack with it, but if you ready an action not much is anywhere near as good for messing up casters.
Unfortunately Frostbite isn't on the Wizard list, as sad as that is.
Yep Acid Splash for 0-level
Which means it would be a bit of a waste to spend FCB to get it 20 times a day. Just a single dip into wizard, and you can get it infinitely, as well as some other nice cantrips and a nice bump to will saves. Obvioulsy, that would be at a cost to BAB and rogue ability progression...but it can be an acceptable trade.
Unfortunately Frostbite isn't on the Wizard list, as sad as that is.
Good catch, I always want to rob the witch list rather than the wizard list. Ill Omen and Cure Light Wounds would be amazing choices too, but are also not valid.
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For stealth- Vanish
For manuvers and increased Acc- True strike
For defense- Shield or Protection from Evil (will saves are bad for rogues)
For more movement speed- Exp. Retreat
For messing with casters and ranged option- magic missile
For an archer- gravity bow
For the lazy- mount. Triggering traps instead of Disable device, can be used as cover, can drop ontop of enemies inside a pit if your caster likes pit spells. Also a good test of gases/fogs to know if the are dangerous. Can be used to keep swarms busy. Lots of applications.
For 0 level spells I like:
Breeze for the bump to saves
Detect magic for reasons
Message isn't bad for scouting
And mage hand does come in handy
Vanish seems the best choice honestly, it has many uses. That said, a few others that are solid pretty much most of the time would be:
- Snowball - Ranged Touch very solid damage at lower to mid levels, bypasses SR and has a chance to make an enemy staggered. Mmmmm.
- Silent Image - Depends on the DM, but there are lots of uses for this, albeit largely defensive in nature. You could potentially use it to sneak up on people, seem like you're just a person talking to another much quieter person, conjure up a wraith, make a bridge look like it exists when it doesn't, make a dark hole open on the ground to manipulate enemy movement (potentially), etc...
- Grease - Multi-purpose. Helps in grapples, can target weapons or the floor. Maybe more if you have a forgiving DM.
Concur on Vanish, but also worthy of consideration...
Infernal Healing (200 hp / day of self-healing)
Long Arm (+5 ft of reach can be very handy)
Mirror Strike (as it may allow you to get sneak attack on more than one opponent in one attack)
Memory Lapse (if at first your intimidate is not successful, try, try again...)
Windy Escape (assuming you are a Sylph or your GM will let you pick up racial spells)
-TimD
Magic missile can also be split up on to several targets, and correct me if im wrong, but wouldn´t you be able to sneak attack with all of those missiles?As far as I know any missile or thrown object can sneak attack unless explicitly said otherwise by something.
MM dosent have a hit Roll it is not a Real attack it dosent get sneek.:(
corrosive touch for when you just can't hit the guy, but you still want your sneak. Better than shocking grasp because no sr and acid is resisted less than electricity (though not by much).
Otherwise all the high notes have been hit as far as I can tell.
It's a pity that the DC is fixed, or Dazzling Blade could get very interesting.
Thunderstomp is powerful in that you're able to use your class level as your caster level as your BAB to make a ranged trip, though you would want to be decent at tripping already to really work it.
Anticipate Peril?
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All of them? The Bookish Rogue Feat means you can change to what you need at that moment.
Granted it takes 10 minutes, but hey grab a minute cast what you need spend another 10 changing it back for the next combat and move on, or leave it.
bookish rogue then all of them
ninja'd by 48 minutes damn...
Stone Shield can be nice if you adventure someplace that the earth/stone isn't an issue.
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A lot of good ones above, of those I haven't seen Liberating Command is on my list for potential to cast a lot. It's way more situational, but nothing like a free escape artist check at a bonus. I've been in a PFS scenario where I've seen two separate casters blow every first level slot on those. (Probably 14 or so casts across 3-5 combats).
aw :(MM dosent have a hit Roll it is not a Real attack it dosent get sneek.:(Magic missile can also be split up on to several targets, and correct me if im wrong, but wouldn´t you be able to sneak attack with all of those missiles?As far as I know any missile or thrown object can sneak attack unless explicitly said otherwise by something.
And even even if you could use Sneak Attack with Magic Misille, this FAQ would limit Sneak Attack to one missile.
I would go with Color Spray, you did say 20 times a day right ?
even for 5 hd or more = 1 round of being Stunned
= Stunned: A stunned creature drops everything held, can't take actions, takes a -2 penalty to AC, and loses its Dexterity bonus to AC (if Any)
3 or 4 hd = Blinded and stunned 1d4 rounds + 1 round of Stunned.
1-2 HD = Unconscious, blinded and stunned 2d4 rounds, blinded and stunned +1d4 rounds, and then +1 round of stunned.
15 foot cone-shaped burst
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Blast them this round, then Sneak Attack them next round to finish them off.
The problem with Color Spray is that you've got nothing but 11+INT to beat their will save, or you've completely wasted your time.
True, but thankfully
Barbarians, Fighters, Rangers, and Rogues have bad will saves.
Animals, Construct, Magical Beast, Ooze, Plants and Vermin, normally have bad will saves in general.
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beside magic is always a gamble in Pathfinder.
between the concentration check to cast it, the AoE cause by casting it, the damage you take from being hit by the AOE, the saving throw the creature has, and then Spell resistance, then spell immunity / damage resistance.
Ya might get lucky, and the DM, roll 1-5 on the saving throw :)
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All of them? The Bookish Rogue Feat means you can change to what you need at that moment.
Granted it takes 10 minutes, but hey grab a minute cast what you need spend another 10 changing it back for the next combat and move on, or leave it.
Brilliant! I had forgotten about that option. Still, for a Rogue you are probably going to make Vanish your choice most of the time.
Of the 6 creature types you listed, 4 are completely immune to color spray.True, but thankfully
Barbarians, Fighters, Rangers, and Rogues have bad will saves.
Animals, Construct, Magical Beast, Ooze, Plants and Vermin, normally have bad will saves in general.
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beside magic is always a gamble in Pathfinder.
between the concentration check to cast it, the AoE cause by casting it, the damage you take from being hit by the AOE, the saving throw the creature has, and then Spell resistance, then spell immunity / damage resistance.Ya might get lucky, and the DM, roll 1-5 on the saving throw :)
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You are right.
what i get for scamming the entries, in a hurry...
Ok, True strike it is then.