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Benefit: You can apply the giant simple template (quick rules version, from Pathfinder RPG Bestiary 295) to any form you take with wild shape. This replaces the benefit from Powerful Shape.
As a free action, you can expend one use of mythic power to combine the benefit from this feat with the benefit from non-mythic Powerful Shape for a number of rounds equal to your tier.
Creatures with the giant template are larger and stronger than their normal-sized kin. This template cannot be applied to creatures that are Colossal.
Quick Rules: +2 to all rolls based on Str or Con, +2 hp/HD, –1 penalty on all rolls based on Dex.
Rebuild Rules: Size increase by one category; AC increase natural armor by +3; Attacks increase dice rolled by 1 step; Ability Scores +4 size bonus to Str and Con, –2 Dex.
Old Size* New Size Str Dex Con Natural Armor
Fine Diminutive Same –2 Same Same
Diminutive Tiny +2 –2 Same Same
Tiny Small +4 –2 Same Same
Small Medium +4 –2 +2 Same
Medium Large +8 –2 +4 +2
Large Huge +8 –2 +4 +3
Huge Gargantuan +8 Same +4 +4
Gargantuan Colossal +8 Same +4 +5
* Repeat the adjustment if the creature moves up more than one size.
When a mythic druid uses this with her wild shape ability, what benefits does she get?
Only the +2 Str/Con rolls, +2 hp/HD, -1 Dex rolls?
It seems to imply that the size of the form that you take increases by one category, is this true?
If the latter is the case, do the size bonuses stack with the wild shape bonuses?
Do you use the chart for more ability bonuses?
Every FAQ click is a step towards "fixing" this feat, so I'd appreciate the clicks.
You only get the +2 str/con, +2 hp/HD, -1 dex rolls. You are only using the quick rules. Everything in the rebuild rules is irrelevant. There is nothing in the quick rules that either states or implies you change size category.
It is about as unambiguous as you can get - if you do what the feat says and ignore everything after the quick rules stop.
Okay, but the bonuses are sized-based, no?
Is the intent not to allow Gargantuan wild shape forms?
No, the quick rules bonuses are all untyped. They also only apply to rolls. It doesn't actually increase your ability scores, so even if they were size bonuses they apply to a different thing than the wild growth bonuses.
The intent is that you use the quick rules.
No, the quick rules bonuses are all untyped. They also only apply to rolls. It doesn't actually increase your ability scores, so even if they were size bonuses they apply to a different thing than the wild growth bonuses.
The intent is that you use the quick rules.
I understand that the flavor text is not always the best indicator of intent, but I think this certainly implies that you increase its' size.
The forms you take in wild shape tower over their natural counterparts.
Increases in size don't necessarily increase size category.
Towering over a creature doesn't necessarily put you in a different size category.
Hill Giant - large - 10' tall
Frost Giant - large - 15' tall
I think it's fair to say the frost giant towers over the hill giant.
And trying to break down all the creatures at the top end of their size category and creating special rules for them is hardly sensible.
Even without that it is still unambiguous what this feat does by the rules, even if that is discordant with the flavour.
