since i know this is a new book and we can't post the rules i just want to ask a question about wizard or sorcerer using the variant multiclassing.
if i were a wizard and i picked the variant for rogue (page 89). can i single class level into arcane trickster at level 11?
Thanks
Level 12, yes. Level 11 is when you would get your second sneak attack die. As secondary class features replace certain character feats, you would receive them in the same step, at the end of the level advancement process.
Although you could take the VMC for rogue - giving you +1d6 sneak attack at 7 - and take a level of ninja at 8.
That lets you take arcane trickster at 9 - only being down 1 level of spellcasting - so the choice you have to make is full spellcasting as a wizard but only 8 levels of trickster - or only 19 levels of spellcasting but all 10 levels of trickster.
If the prestige class appeals to you - the 'capstone' of surprise spells, how high in level you expect the campaign to go, and how much full casting matters to you would all factor into your choice.
Although you could take the VMC for rogue - giving you +1d6 sneak attack at 7 - and take a level of ninja at 8.
That lets you take arcane trickster at 9 - only being down 1 level of spellcasting - so the choice you have to make is full spellcasting as a wizard but only 8 levels of trickster - or only 19 levels of spellcasting but all 10 levels of trickster.
If the prestige class appeals to you - the 'capstone' of surprise spells, how high in level you expect the campaign to go, and how much full casting matters to you would all factor into your choice.
While not explicitly called out in the VMC, you cannot normally take levels in both rogue and ninja. There are a couple other ways to get sneak attack, however (vivisectionist alchemist for one).
While not explicitly called out in the VMC, you cannot normally take levels in both rogue and ninja. There are a couple other ways to get sneak attack, however (vivisectionist alchemist for one).Although you could take the VMC for rogue - giving you +1d6 sneak attack at 7 - and take a level of ninja at 8.
That lets you take arcane trickster at 9 - only being down 1 level of spellcasting - so the choice you have to make is full spellcasting as a wizard but only 8 levels of trickster - or only 19 levels of spellcasting but all 10 levels of trickster.
If the prestige class appeals to you - the 'capstone' of surprise spells, how high in level you expect the campaign to go, and how much full casting matters to you would all factor into your choice.
Yeah but using regular multiclassing with VMC is already an optional rule to an optional rule - I'm unsure how the vivisectionist would stack as it calls out it's not 'extra' sneak attack but uses the combined levels of the other class and itself to determine total sneak attack dice. The VMC rules give no guidelines on how to determine 'effective class level' from the alternate class.
While the ninja and the rogue don't usually work together - in this type of multiclassing I don't see why they would be a problem as the secondary class abilities don't come into play to make the game unbalanced (such as a level 2 character having 2d6 sneak attack). Lots of 'ifs' in regards to how your table plays it out and 'talk to your GM to see if they will allow it' in the entire thing.
While Ninja is a Rogue archetype, Snakebite Striker Brawler isn't. That should get around the "no levels in Rogue" restriction.