Qinggong Ki leech and weapons


Rules Questions


Does this work with a bow on my zen archer. It dosent look like it is unarmed attacks only or even melee only.
I realize that the level 17 ability of the Zen archer May make it work but it looks to me like it works from Day one.
If this have been asked 10 times before i could not find it.

Liberty's Edge

It would work on a crit or kill of a living enemy, regardless of the means of the attack. It would even work if were a Qinggong Monk 10/Wizard 5 and zapped someone to death with a Lightning Bolt spell.

Edit: Or even if you were a plain old Monk 1/Wizard 5 and had the Ki Leech spell in effect when you killed the target with the Lightning Bolt.


baradakas wrote:

It would work on a crit or kill of a living enemy, regardless of the means of the attack. It would even work if were a Qinggong Monk 10/Wizard 5 and zapped someone to death with a Lightning Bolt spell.

Edit: Or even if you were a plain old Monk 1/Wizard 5 and had the Ki Leech spell in effect when you killed the target with the Lightning Bolt.

How would a level 1 monk get a ki pool?


A better example would be ninja 2/sorcerer 6....which actually might work out for an arcane trickster with all that stat synergy (why I subbed out wizard in this example).....


Is there really no one that find this problematic? A free ki point on every crit or kill(vs. Living targets) after level 11 on a monk using a ranged or a high crit weapon.


Er, no. Why would we? Does this make monks overpowered or something?


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Cap. Darling wrote:

Is there really no one that find this problematic? A free ki point on every crit or kill(vs. Living targets) after level 11 on a monk using a ranged or a high crit weapon.

I think there is the possibility of abuse sure. Carting around a bag of mice to kill, or repeatedly dropping a fast healing/regenerating creature to 0, etc. But the overarching truth is even unlimited ki points doesn't really strike me as game breaking at level 11+.


Cap. Darling wrote:

Is there really no one that find this problematic? A free ki point on every crit or kill(vs. Living targets) after level 11 on a monk using a ranged or a high crit weapon.

Yes...but it has to compete with the drunken master, which gains a separate, temporary ki pool that is replenished by drinking booze.

Also, the monk's ki at least is mostly good when you can use it consistently. Thus, it has the nice big pool, and the gunslinger/swashbuckler have an extremely limited pool.

The only real problem I see is the ninja example I suggested above- getting vanish and such very easily can be a problem...but one mitigated by the limitations of multiclassing (so the ninja has a tiny pool, and it constantly needs an actual spell to recharge...and it can't store any of that charge for later really).

So for a multiclass...it is not impressive, actually. And most monks and ninjas do not have very much in the way of AoE (even the monk's blast spells are usually just single target/ 'you had better stick to single target to actually kill anything important' rays)

Maezer wrote:
Cap. Darling wrote:

Is there really no one that find this problematic? A free ki point on every crit or kill(vs. Living targets) after level 11 on a monk using a ranged or a high crit weapon.

I think there is the possibility of abuse sure. Carting around a bag of mice to kill, or repeatedly dropping a fast healing/regenerating creature to 0, etc. But the overarching truth is even unlimited ki points doesn't really strike me as game breaking at level 11+.

Well...I like this though. Because think about it- you are carrying a bag of live animals around to kill just to get your 'fix'.

I have made this comparison before, and I will make it again- hungry ghost monks and ki leech users are like drug addicts. Not surprising, since they are meant to take on vampire vibes, and others have made the vampire/drug addict comparison before.

These powers encourage you to violently beat people and murder them personally at every opportunity. The ki leech power has minutes per level...but it costs 0 ki- that means you can just spam it constantly out of battle...which is a lot like an addict jonesing for their next hit.


A bag of mice is not really my Zen Archers style but with 5+ attacks he is gonna get Lots of crits:)
I dont know if it is over powered but it is gonna be a Real power boost.

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