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I think my sessions are now screwed up three different ways.
I'm still down 11 tables of credit from the first update.
The Emerald Spire tables I GMed are all now floor #1.
When I tried to fix one such event, using the method posted earlier in this thread, not only did I not recover a missing credit, but the entire scenario line is now blank, and I can't seem to put anything in its place.
I understand there's nothing that a webmaster can do, since they also don't know what scenarios we had initially reported.
Should we just accept that these tables are lost forever? Or is there another trick ppl are doing?
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I fixed my Emerald Spire tables. They were all set to level 1 so I had to manually change them to the correct level numbers at the event's page and at the reporting page. It was a bit of a chore, but now it's done and I'm not missing any tables. And look at that, the fourth star is finally there since I was able to report some other Spire levels.
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I think my sessions are now screwed up three different ways.
I'm still down 11 tables of credit from the first update.
The Emerald Spire tables I GMed are all now floor #1.
When I tried to fix one such event, using the method posted earlier in this thread, not only did I not recover a missing credit, but the entire scenario line is now blank, and I can't seem to put anything in its place.
I understand there's nothing that a webmaster can do, since they also don't know what scenarios we had initially reported.
Should we just accept that these tables are lost forever? Or is there another trick ppl are doing?
Sorry you are having issues. Did you edit the event and add the individual Emerald Spire modules? If you hadn't done that before, they won't show up in the drop-down. I had the same issue. The "show all scenarios" feature seems to not be working.
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I think my sessions are now screwed up three different ways.
I'm still down 11 tables of credit from the first update.
The Emerald Spire tables I GMed are all now floor #1.
When I tried to fix one such event, using the method posted earlier in this thread, not only did I not recover a missing credit, but the entire scenario line is now blank, and I can't seem to put anything in its place.
I understand there's nothing that a webmaster can do, since they also don't know what scenarios we had initially reported.
Should we just accept that these tables are lost forever? Or is there another trick ppl are doing?
I had the same issue.
I solved it by adding all of the Emerald Spire levels to the event, then in the session changing the scenario to a different Emerald Spire level and back to the proper level.
Any characters receiving a 'no credit for duplicate play' error needed to have their original player line deleted and their information re-entered in a new player line.
PM me the event details if you still can't fix it and I'll see if I can do it.
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Scott is going to be out at a convention this coming week, so he's not ignoring you, just not at his desk. I'll jump in and see where I can help while he's out.
Most issues seems to be two things:
Blackros Matrimony - There is something weird with this one, we're looking into it. Fortunately it seems to be the only scenario having the issue.
Levels (mostly Emerald Spires) - I posted about the problem here back at the start, but I'll reiterate. Many folks reported this as the base product (Emerald Spires) instead of the level (our system let you do that back then) so playing 16 levels was just 16 iterations of the base product in our data. We don't allow that to happen anymore (for fairly obvious reasons :) but we have no data on which of the levels was played by the character. For the ones we have the data, we matched things up, but for the folks we didn't, we put them at level 1 as a default. If the events are updated with the actual level played, things will be fine; but that's why people are appearing to "lose" Emerald Spires levels. You havn't, they are just listed as repeates of the same level (which, in all fairness, was how they were listed before, the system just enforces the restriction now).
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What confuses me with this, though, is that repeat runs as a GM still count as table count, so even if it was defaulted it should still credit that part of it... ah well, the mysteries of the coding world. It's like Lovecraft, the more you come to understand the less sane you are... :) I have little enough sanity left as it is.
I think my sessions are now screwed up three different ways.
I'm still down 11 tables of credit from the first update.
The Emerald Spire tables I GMed are all now floor #1.
When I tried to fix one such event, using the method posted earlier in this thread, not only did I not recover a missing credit, but the entire scenario line is now blank, and I can't seem to put anything in its place.
I understand there's nothing that a webmaster can do, since they also don't know what scenarios we had initially reported.
Should we just accept that these tables are lost forever? Or is there another trick ppl are doing?
Some of the Emerald Spire levels were reported incorrectly (generally using the "View All" drop down and pointing to the base scenario instead of the individual levels - one of the main reasons we removed that drop down). When we refactored the data, we had no data on which ES level was being reported so we set them to level 1.
That's why your levels are at one. Add the correct level to the event and then reset the session to report that level and your tables will return.
I'm just wondering if we should fix what's wrong with our reported sessions ourselves (like the multi-part modules all showing up as the last reported one instead of as different ones) or if there's a general fix coming?
For the multilevel dungeons that were reported to the base product (the ones were the levels were reported directly are fine), we can't change the data here because we have no way of knowing what levels were played. That data was never supplied to us. So in those cases we need to have the GMs set the appropriate levels themselves.
Sorry you are having issues. Did you edit the event and add the individual Emerald Spire modules? If you hadn't done that before, they won't show up in the drop-down. I had the same issue. The "show all scenarios" feature seems to not be working.I think my sessions are now screwed up three different ways.
I'm still down 11 tables of credit from the first update.
The Emerald Spire tables I GMed are all now floor #1.
When I tried to fix one such event, using the method posted earlier in this thread, not only did I not recover a missing credit, but the entire scenario line is now blank, and I can't seem to put anything in its place.
I understand there's nothing that a webmaster can do, since they also don't know what scenarios we had initially reported.
Should we just accept that these tables are lost forever? Or is there another trick ppl are doing?
Yeah, ironically that's what caused a lot of this. Folks were using Show All (which had much weaker filtering than then other processes, it was really only intended for admin use to add scenarios that couldn't be added using the normal workflow) to attach their sessions to the root product of multi-level dungeons instead of the levels themselves.
I think my sessions are now screwed up three different ways.
I'm still down 11 tables of credit from the first update.
The Emerald Spire tables I GMed are all now floor #1.
When I tried to fix one such event, using the method posted earlier in this thread, not only did I not recover a missing credit, but the entire scenario line is now blank, and I can't seem to put anything in its place.
I understand there's nothing that a webmaster can do, since they also don't know what scenarios we had initially reported.
Should we just accept that these tables are lost forever? Or is there another trick ppl are doing?
I had the same issue.
I solved it by adding all of the Emerald Spire levels to the event, then in the session changing the scenario to a different Emerald Spire level and back to the proper level.
Any characters receiving a 'no credit for duplicate play' error needed to have their original player line deleted and their information re-entered in a new player line.
PM me the event details if you still can't fix it and I'll see if I can do it.
This is a known issue, sometimes the error state is getting "sticky". The problem is architectural unfortunately so it's not trivial to change. Removing the character (metaphorically) and re-entering them will generally clear things up. Yes we will be fixing these architectural issues, but they are being rolled up into a much larger project I can't talk about so the proper fix is probably months down the line.
I understand there's nothing that a webmaster can do, since they also don't know what scenarios we had initially reported.If they made a backup of their data, like they should be doing before any major upgrade, then the records should be recoverable.
Assuming of course that it was reported correctly originally.
The second point is the germane one :) We didn't lose data, but some of the data we had (very little in the full scope of things, but still some) was missing the levels, which is why we can't fix it from this side. It requires information from the folks who ran the game.
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Yeah, ironically that's what caused a lot of this. Folks were using Show All (which had much weaker filtering than then other processes, it was really only intended for admin use to add scenarios that couldn't be added using the normal workflow) to attach their sessions to the root product of multi-level dungeons instead of the levels themselves.
Fascinating, and explains why that is no longer an option.
Actually, my Blakros Matrimony is missing too...as well as the table I ran on 3/1/15...have to check at the store to find out what that was.
EDIT: Very odd...it was Cyphermage Dilemma. The credit shows where it was applied to my -11 character, but it does not show up on the GM Sessions page. Blackros is also missing from the GM Sessions page.
It's showing in your GM sessions now. I went back and resaved the session and that forced it to reevaluate all the connections and repair them.
This is dumb. Paizo does an integrity update or whatever, fouls up the reporting system, and we are supposed to go fix our table credit ourselves? That's a failure of integrity on several levels.
Ironically, that's exactly what data integrity does. The previous system just ignored or overlooked problems in the data. Now it doesn't. Most of those we can and have fixed because we were able to figure out intent with the data we have. In some cases, that's just not possible, there isn't enough data for us to figure out what the reporter intended.
I get it's frustrating, it's frustrating for us as well. But it's a problem we couldn't continue to ignore. Creating data integrity means uncovering all those past sins and bringing them to light, which is what is happening now. You can ignore the goblins in the basement for a time, but eventually if you want to build a proper castle, you have to go down and clear them out.
I'm missing 2 levels of Emerald Spire. I have all the information for these, and can enter them again if I should take the action item.
I'm missing a session of the Midnight Mauler for which I have NO recollection for other than my paper GM chronicle for it...
As an aside, thank you so much for the hard work that goes into this.
The Emerald Spire levels are probably there, just set to Level 1. Go back, edit the sessions and set them to the level you ran (you may need to add it to the sponsoring event first) and things should show normally.
As for the Mauler, does it show up in the Event information as one of it's sessions? Try finding it that way then you can edit it to restore whatever piece is missing (probably the GM character number). If you can't find it, give me the Event number and session ID if you have it and I'll look in the DB.
I lost about 10 tables of credit (went from ~80 down to 71). Seeing the posts on Emerald Spire that appears to be the main culprit. I ran 4 separate levels (8 credits) of that last year and see none in my history.
Unfortunately, I was just the GM (not the Coordinator), so I honestly don't know the event # details. I probably lost 1 or 2 other tables, but fixing the Emerald Spire error should be 90% of my issues.
Anyone have an idea how to fix this?
They should still be in your GM sessions list, you just don't receive credit for them because it thinks you ran the same scenario 8 odd times (and thinks you REALY REALLY liked it!). Find the sessions in your GM list, edit them and change the scenario to the correct level (you may have to add the level to the event scenario list first) and the sessions should count towards your total again.
So if we are no longer going to get credit for games we don't get a chronicle for running, should we?
That is what I lost.
My brother, is scheduled to run a game he's already run next week at a convention. He is not planning on burning a star to get a chronicle. Will he get credit for running it?
You receive GM credit for running a scenario once per program (RPG/Core) lets you effectively get it twice for scenarios in both programs. After that you may still run it, and players will still get credit, but it won't count towards your GM total.
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You receive GM credit for running a scenario once per program (RPG/Core) lets you effectively get it twice for scenarios in both programs. After that you may still run it, and players will still get credit, but it won't count towards your GM total.So if we are no longer going to get credit for games we don't get a chronicle for running, should we?
That is what I lost.
My brother, is scheduled to run a game he's already run next week at a convention. He is not planning on burning a star to get a chronicle. Will he get credit for running it?
For a GM there's a difference between "credit" that's applied to your character for progression and "credit" for your total tables run as a GM for the purpose of earning stars.
Character progression credit has the distinct scenario constraint. Total tables run should not have that; it should simply be the total number of tables run regardless of whether the GM has run the scenario before.
Tamec is trying to verify that these rules are still correctly enforced by the system. Some of the posts from the tech team have made it sound like this is no longer the case, which is concerning.
That being said, it does look like the total number of tables run is still calculated correctly.
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You receive GM credit for running a scenario once per program (RPG/Core) lets you effectively get it twice for scenarios in both programs. After that you may still run it, and players will still get credit, but it won't count towards your GM total.So if we are no longer going to get credit for games we don't get a chronicle for running, should we?
That is what I lost.
My brother, is scheduled to run a game he's already run next week at a convention. He is not planning on burning a star to get a chronicle. Will he get credit for running it?
For a GM there's a difference between "credit" that's applied to your character for progression and "credit" for your total tables run as a GM for the purpose of earning stars.
Character progression credit has the distinct scenario constraint. Total tables run should not have that; it should simply be the total number of tables run regardless of whether the GM has run the scenario before.
Tamec is trying to verify that these rules are still correctly enforced by the system. Some of the posts from the tech team have made it sound like this is no longer the case, which is concerning.
Sorry, I was unclear. Yes, you are correct. Table (star) credit has no scenario limit, you can run the same one 800 times and assuming you make your sanity roll, the credit is yours. The scenario limit applies to GM credit applied to a character for progression.
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You receive GM credit for running a scenario once per program (RPG/Core) lets you effectively get it twice for scenarios in both programs. After that you may still run it, and players will still get credit, but it won't count towards your GM total.So if we are no longer going to get credit for games we don't get a chronicle for running, should we?
That is what I lost.
My brother, is scheduled to run a game he's already run next week at a convention. He is not planning on burning a star to get a chronicle. Will he get credit for running it?
I sincerely hope you are wrong about this.
What you quote is the rule for receiving chronicles. GM credit is something different - it's what counts towards your GM Star rating.
At PaizoCon last year, for example, I GMed two tables of "Assault on the Wound". That should count as two tables of GM credit. (Neither of those tables, of course, was a Core table - Core had not yet been created). I could only take a GM chronicle for one of those sessions, though.
Edit: Answered while I was composing this post
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Sorry, I was unclear. Yes, you are correct. Table (star) credit has no scenario limit, you can run the same one 800 times and assuming you make your sanity roll, the credit is yours. The scenario limit applies to GM credit applied to a character for progression.
Thanks for clearing up my confusion. :-)
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I'm just wondering if we should fix what's wrong with our reported sessions ourselves (like the multi-part modules all showing up as the last reported one instead of as different ones) or if there's a general fix coming?For the multilevel dungeons that were reported to the base product (the ones were the levels were reported directly are fine), we can't change the data here because we have no way of knowing what levels were played. That data was never supplied to us. So in those cases we need to have the GMs set the appropriate levels themselves.
Unfortunately, one of the mid-states in your system updates caused several tables of the multi-level modules to revert from what had been (correctly!) reported to all being the first level, as your system lost the data reported.
I know, as I had to correct a level of Dragon's Demand that I reported as Part 3, but your system reverted to Part 1 during the mish mosh period. I also know that the other two Dragon's Demand sessions that were reported, by the Online VOs, were reported correctly,as they showed the correct levels when I checked them after they were reported, several months ago.
Now, both the VO reported sessions show as Part 1, even though they were originally reported as Part 1 and Part 2.
I have not had a chance to check the rest of my multi-level GMing tables, yet.
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So after reading through this thread, I still haven't found clear and definitive answers to a lot of the questions, just a lot of "it was reported incorrectly, you have to go back and do it yourselves", which still isn't admitting that something went fundamentally wrong. Also, not everyone even knows, which sessions were played/GMed and probably not everyone has the time to double check their chronicles.
So for the sake of clarity, it would be helpful if someone could give some yes or no answers to the following questions:
Will the problematic scenarios (especially Blakros Matrimony, also sometimes Cyphermage dilemma and Midnight Mauler) be fixed automatically?
Will multi-level modules and sanctioned APs that were reported correctly (as in the proper level showed up before) go back to their correct reporting? Or do all multi-level modules and APs have to be re-reported manually?
Is it now possible that "evergreen" scenarios like The Confirmation and The Wounded Wisp can be applied to more than one GM Character without getting a reporting error that this scenario was run before?
I think that should cover it...
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I'm going through and personally investigating and repairing missing tables for users. If you're one of them, it would be helpful if you provide that you're missing tables and which ones.Scott - I investigated what was missing by referencing my Warhorn history and some other digging. The challenge is that these events were organized by someone else (so I cannot fix them directly). I did find the event #'s:
I lost GM credit for the following (my ID# is 29904)
Event 49771 (Oct 2014 Legends): Emerald Spire Level 1
Event 51341 (Nov 2014 Legends): Emerald Spire Level 2
Event 51342 (Dec 2014 Legends): PFS 417: Tower of Ironwood Watch
Event 53889 (Jan 2015 Legends): Emerald Spire Level 5
Event 53889 (Jan 2015 Legends): Emerald Spire Level 6That's a total of 9 credits (because Emerald Spire levels count double).
If you can fix that for me, that would be awesome.
I fixed all of your Emerald Spire tables for you. There doesn't appear to be a session for Tower of the Ironwood Watch and I don't feel comfortable adding one (especially since I don't have any player data).
All my player sessions appear to be there but I'm missing nearly all my GM sessions (only 9 remain) and I've dropped to 1 star.
Were those sessions Adventure Card Game? That's the only thing that should be removing table credit.
I seem to be missing all my GM credit from EvilleCon 2015, though my player credit from the same convention is in place.
Renegade I see three GM sessions for you for EvilleCon in your GM sessions list, each receiving 2 Prestige Points.
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Is there anyway we would see which session are not getting counted toward star credit? Is We Be Goblins being tallied correctly?
I have some WBG games at the beginning of my GMing carreer that has the "player has played this on... ... .." type of thing, even though it is an evergreen product.
Is the Modules getting the 2 gm table credit? That would explain the shortfall in my star count.
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I'm missing GM credit for three sessions that I'm pretty sure were shown a few days ago
- 10-Jun-2013 #4-09 The Blakros Matrimony
- 12-Dec-2014 Emerald Spire: Godhome (GM Rating +2)
- 13-Feb-2015 #6-05 Slave Ships of Absalom
That's what I reported a week ago.
Checking today, the last of those three now shows correctly. The other two, however, are still missing.
Presumably the first one (The Blakros Matrimony) is part of the general problem with that scenario.
I believe the Event Number for the Emerald Spire level is 51342 (Dec 2014 Legends).
One other issue:
My two sessions of Thornkeep (GMed on Mar 25 and May 24, 2013) both show as "Thornkeep: Sanctum of a Lost Age" - they should instead be "Thornkeep Level 2, The Accursed Halls".
The Event Numbers are 22755 and 23463, respectively.
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I've never had the problem of my computer not being able to use the pull-down menus of the reporting system before. But within the last 3 weeks (once before the big update and once after) I could access the sessions of various events, but I couldn't make any changes to any of the events.
When I rebooted my computer, I was able to make the changes.
So I have updated both of the Blakros sessions I remember GM'ing, and updated all the Thornkeep, Dragon's Demand, and Emerald Spire that I have been a part of so they are reported correctly.
I believe my GM credits are back where they should be, but at most, I may be missing 1 or 2 credits, which isn't a huge deal for me at this point.
For those of you still having issues, a little experimentation in the event in question can work to fix the problems. If it isn't an event that you have access to updating, then your V-C can likely help.
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I seem to be missing all my GM credit from EvilleCon 2015, though my player credit from the same convention is in place.Renegade I see three GM sessions for you for EvilleCon in your GM sessions list, each receiving 2 Prestige Points.
That was last year. It's fixed now, though; it turns out the trouble was actually that they hadn't been reported yet because the coordinator wasn't sure what character number to assign them to.
That was last year. It's fixed now, though; it turns out the trouble was actually that they hadn't been reported yet because the coordinator wasn't sure what character number to assign them to.I seem to be missing all my GM credit from EvilleCon 2015, though my player credit from the same convention is in place.Renegade I see three GM sessions for you for EvilleCon in your GM sessions list, each receiving 2 Prestige Points.
Heh, well I'll take an easy fix :)
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12-Dec-2014 Emerald Spire: Godhome (GM Rating +2)I believe the Event Number for the Emerald Spire level is 51342 (Dec 2014 Legends).
One other issue:
My two sessions of Thornkeep (GMed on Mar 25 and May 24, 2013) both show as "Thornkeep: Sanctum of a Lost Age" - they should instead be "Thornkeep Level 2, The Accursed Halls".
The Event Numbers are 22755 and 23463, respectively.
John,
I have fixed your Emerald Spire and Thornkeep listed above.
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I just wanted to post a thank you to those who have been going back and helping fix mistakes. While I don't do a lot of programming, I work in IT and I know that there is so much going on in the background of these websites that take up so many IT man-hours. Also, the VOs who have access to change these, didn't have to help out and it is appreciated.
Here's hoping the next few months of changes in the background go smoothly.
I just wanted to post a thank you to those who have been going back and helping fix mistakes. While I don't do a lot of programming, I work in IT and I know that there is so much going on in the background of these websites that take up so many IT man-hours. Also, the VOs who have access to change these, didn't have to help out and it is appreciated.
Here's hoping the next few months of changes in the background go smoothly.
Seconded to the VOs who have been jumping in and helping us, has made a necessary but nasty transition much easier!
A general heads up since folks invested in reporting are paying attention to this thread. We've found a problem with the "clone event" functionality. It creates a great clone, but it's disassociating the scenarios from the event that is being cloned.
Doesn't break existing reporting, but you have to re-associate the scenarios before you can report new items. It's on our backlog but is behind some PaizoCon needs, so avoid using the clone event functionality for a bit until we give the all clear.
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I had 47 tables before the site change, I now have 19....but I think I have worked it out.
I use the same Event for any home games that I report (event 818). In the past, as I report sessions, I delete the scenario from the event and replace it with the fresh one, I do the same with my Game Day.
Looking through the 19 tables I have left, they match up with scenarios that I have ticked on my event/s. So I am thinking that the issue has to do with that.
My question is: How is meant to work??
Is this a system glitch, or a Sanwah glitch??