Site Changes Coming Today!


Pathfinder Society

51 to 100 of 231 << first < prev | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | next > last >>
5/5

I lost 2 tables of credit, not recent ones... not sure which ones, though.

Wakedown, let's not criticize improvements, even when they come with some bugs. Not all changes are solely for the benefit of PFS players.

Dark Archive 5/5 ⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Minnesota—Minneapolis aka Silbeg

James Apostolou wrote:
Anything I ran for Thornkeep seems to be Age of a Lost Sanctum

I have seen this issue as well.

However, I think my table credit is probably correct.

Sovereign Court

Looks like I lost about 4 tables of GM credit. Not sure which tables are missing, just know the table count dropped.

Lantern Lodge 5/5 RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16 aka Black Powder Chocobo

1 table here, haven't had time to identify which one it is.

Technology Manager

Steven Huffstutler wrote:
I lost a couple tables. No biggie for me, but if I lost them that means someone else lost a record of player credit.

Not necessarily, GM credit is different from player credit. There are rules that can block a GM from gaining credit (running the same scenario for example) but the players would receive credit normally.

5/5

Cort Odekirk wrote:
Steven Huffstutler wrote:
I lost a couple tables. No biggie for me, but if I lost them that means someone else lost a record of player credit.
Not necessarily, GM credit is different from player credit. There are rules that can block a GM from gaining credit (running the same scenario for example) but the players would receive credit normally.

A GM can't apply credit to characters more than once for running the same scenario...however that should not affect the GM receiving credit for running that table in his count.

Technology Manager

Cire wrote:

Ok. New information.

I went into Gm/Event Coordinator and turned on my old completely reported sessions and found the session containing the missing table. Even though it showed "Emerald Spire Superdungeon - Level 1", when I clicked on edit, nothing was selected in the dropdown. I reselected the scenario from the dropdown and... viola, it is showing again in my table count.

I got 8 of my tables back that way. Now for the 1 that I didnt report...

We had some issues in the data where scenarios with multiple levels (Emerald Spires is a good example) were reported as the base scenario instead of as an individual level (the new system won't let you do that anymore). Since we don't allow credit for the same scenario twice, this meant the GM lost credit (players still received it fine). Since we didn't know which levels to assign those to, we set the migration to set any unidentified level to the 1st level for the scenario (no way to tell which level was intended). If you are loosing credit because you have multiple sessions set to the first level for a scenario, going back and setting the scenario to the correct level will restore your credit.

Technology Manager

thaX wrote:

I was at 144, now at 121.

I think it was 144, may have been a few less, I can't remember.

A lot of We Be Goblins games are getting the "already played" message. I shall go through a bunch of my current games and see if some of them will go through where they didn't before.

Any changes to the regular PFS vs. Core reporting? Did you guys fix some of the nagging problems with that?

That should be fixed now, you can receive credit for the same scenario once per Core and RPG run.

5/5

Thanks!

Technology Manager

1 person marked this as a favorite.
wakedown wrote:

Lost only 2 tables of credit and they were the 2 most recent ones I logged, so that can be easily fixed if its not fixing itself with some sort of data recovery effort.

Also, I think all my Runelords AP tables all became "Burnt Offerings" vs their respective chapters. The credit shows up the same though.

What were the good things we got from this effort?

The benefits from this are data integrity, we have the problems we do with the data because the system allowed things it shouldn't have. We also had years of data integrity problems from historical bugs. This fixes all of those and gives us a solid, consistent set of data. Unfortunately, because the system now has integrity, old issues where data was miss-recorded are now becoming evident.

Given we have 10 odd years of data, some one-off issues are inevitable and not really fixable at a systematic level, we have to slog through and correct them manually.

It's not fun for us either, but you have to fix the foundation before you can build on it. Once it's done we have a foundation of reliable data we can use for the next generation of Organized Play feature sets.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Maps Subscriber

My cursed We Be Goblins table from Free RPG Day 2011 is gone again.

New bug: When you run a table, and no one takes a society number (it happens!), you can't delete all of the seats - when you remove the last, it adds another 6 seats to the DOM.

Grand Lodge

I was planning on losing some table credits, and it stayed the same for me. Did it remove Card game credits, I was expecting to go down about 8 tables worth from reporting card game organized play sessions.

5/5

TetsujinOni wrote:

New bug: When you run a table, and no one takes a society number (it happens!), you can't delete all of the seats - when you remove the last, it adds another 6 seats to the DOM.

Is a PFS game even legal with no PFS players at the table? I think you have to have 3 people with PFS numbers to get credit, no?

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Captain, Arizona—Phoenix aka TriOmegaZero

Not true. We report Overseer GMs at tables with no players.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Northwest aka WalterGM

A handful of my recently GM'd games are blank. They show me as the GM and list an event code, and if I click on them all the characters have credit, but the specific scenario I ran seems to have been deleted.

Furthermore, a lot of my reported events give back the message "Player has already run scenario at session # of event # ______ on [date]," even when that scenario has been clearly reported as core.

Attached are some images of what I'm describing. Hope this helps!

Technology Manager

Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Not true. We report Overseer GMs at tables with no players.

Yeah, that's on my "find a better way" list, but for now it's allowed.

Dark Archive 5/5 ⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Minnesota—Minneapolis aka Silbeg

Cort Odekirk wrote:
thaX wrote:


Any changes to the regular PFS vs. Core reporting? Did you guys fix some of the nagging problems with that?
That should be fixed now, you can receive credit for the same scenario once per Core and RPG run.

I am still seeing that my only core game (a run of 5-08 The Confirmation) is giving the duplicate error.

Cort Odekirk wrote:
We had some issues in the data where scenarios with multiple levels (Emerald Spires is a good example) were reported as the base scenario instead of as an individual level (the new system won't let you do that anymore).

Cort, I am 100% sure that except for the game that was reported for PbP Game Day #3, all the levels of Thornkeep that I reported did have a selected sub-module. They are are now all listed as "Sanctum of a Lost Age"

Shadow Lodge 4/5 Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West aka JohnF

Cort Odekirk wrote:
We had some issues in the data where scenarios with multiple levels (Emerald Spires is a good example) were reported as the base scenario instead of as an individual level (the new system won't let you do that anymore). Since we don't allow credit for the same scenario twice, this meant the GM lost credit . . .

A GM can't take a chronicle for the same scenario twice (ignoring GM star replays), but that shouldn't affect GM credit. GM credit is what get's reported on the GM/Event Coordinator tab of the "My Pathfinder Society page", and I should earn GM credit every time I GM a table, irrespective of whether or not I take a chronicle.

When I look at that page on my account, it says "You have 75 tables of credit".
(That's wrong - it should be 79 tables - but that's beside the point.)

Sovereign Court

Yep, gotta agree with John Francis here. We don't get multiple chronicle sheets, but we still get table credit (that is credit towards number of tables run to determine GM stars). I do know some GMs who only are willing to GM a scenario they have already run solely for that fact and may refuse to rerun scenarios if that changed.

Software Developer

I'm going through and personally investigating and repairing missing tables for users. If you're one of them, it would be helpful if you provide that you're missing tables and which ones.

Scarab Sages 4/5

My missing session should be:

Date Event Event Name Ses GM Name
Oct 19, 2013 32551 CONtraflow 3 9 Ticktockman1

That shows up on the character I assigned the chronicle to, but not in my GM sessions. GM #52119.

EDIT: That was for Blakros Matrimony. Sorry, forgot that part.

Silver Crusade 5/5 ⦵⦵⦵ RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8 aka GreySector

Cort Odekirk wrote:
We had some issues in the data where scenarios with multiple levels (Emerald Spires is a good example) were reported as the base scenario instead of as an individual level (the new system won't let you do that anymore). Since we don't allow credit for the same scenario twice, this meant the GM lost credit (players still received it fine). Since we didn't know which levels to assign those to, we set the migration to set any unidentified level to the 1st level for the scenario (no way to tell which level was intended). If you are loosing credit because you have multiple sessions set to the first level for a scenario, going back and setting the scenario to the correct level will restore your credit.

The first level of Thornkeep is The Accursed Halls, and the default table (at least for me) was recorded as Sanctum of a Lost Age. That is the first level listed in the scenario selection screen for events, but it is not the first level of the module.

5/5 ⦵⦵

I lost 6 tables of credit but I don't care that much I will be hitting 150 tables well before I get 10 specials.

I did glance at the tables and I noticed Jade Regent parts 2 and 3 have vanished. Dragons Demand part 2 now shows as part 1 and Dragons Demand part 3 has vanished.

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Maps Subscriber
GM Lamplighter wrote:
TetsujinOni wrote:

New bug: When you run a table, and no one takes a society number (it happens!), you can't delete all of the seats - when you remove the last, it adds another 6 seats to the DOM.

Is a PFS game even legal with no PFS players at the table? I think you have to have 3 people with PFS numbers to get credit, no?

Run sanctioned event for Free RPG Day. Have no one want to take a PFS# so have no PFS#s to report.

Run Beginner Box Bash event. Have no one take PFS#s. Same-same.

Similarly the other "give them a taste" events shouldn't generate PFS# entries in the DB but do AFAIK give GM credits.

Software Developer

1 person marked this as a favorite.

@Jack Brown: Your recent session should be repaired. The repeatable scenarios bug has not been fixed yet but is in our queue.

@UndeadMitch: Where are you expecting to see these sessions to show up? I see two sessions of Tears and two sessions of Emerald Spire in your GM sessions tab.

Are you supposed to have 4? If so, do you know what event they're from or any other information about the missing sessions?

Dark Archive 5/5 ⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Minnesota—Minneapolis aka Silbeg

Scott Spalding wrote:
@Jack Brown: Your recent session should be repaired. The repeatable scenarios bug has not been fixed yet but is in our queue.

Thanks, looks good!

So, for the Thornkeep levels, I could just fix the ones that I reported (all but two of mine, I believe), but what about the others?

I'll have to dig up the data... which will have to happen when I get home tonight.

Software Developer

If you can't have the original reporter fix the issue, you can list the event/sessions and what scenario they should be pointing to and we can fix that.

Silver Crusade 5/5 ⦵⦵⦵ RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8 aka GreySector

I ran Blakros Matrimony at event #20299 and it does not appear in my GM sessions, but the event still has it reported.

It was also run at event #31811 by PFS #25722 and at event #42282 by PFS #3622. Blakros Matrimony is also missing from their GM sessions.

Software Developer

@Nefreet: Several of your tables were pointing at invalid scenarios (Thornkeep parent instead of a specific level for example) and were automatically pointed to a "best guess". You should be able to go back and fix the sessions to point to the correct scenario and get your tables back.

Software Developer

@Pirate Rob: The most recent two of your sessions look like they were subject to our "best guess". Updating those should restore your missing table.

Grand Lodge

Scott Spalding wrote:
I'm going through and personally investigating and repairing missing tables for users. If you're one of them, it would be helpful if you provide that you're missing tables and which ones.

The only table I am missing in the count is:

September 20, 2014
Event #: 40131
Session #: ?? I dont have this
Scenario: The Emerald Spire Superdungeon - Level 1: The Tower Ruins (RPG)
GM PFS# 42624

1/5

Cort Odekirk wrote:
We had some issues in the data where scenarios with multiple levels (Emerald Spires is a good example) were reported as the base scenario instead of as an individual level (the new system won't let you do that anymore). Since we don't allow credit for the same scenario twice, this meant the GM lost credit (players still received it fine). Since we didn't know which levels to assign those to, we set the migration to set any unidentified level to the 1st level for the scenario (no way to tell which level was intended). If you are loosing credit because you have multiple sessions set to the first level for a scenario, going back and setting the scenario to the correct level will restore your credit.

Cort:

Are you sure the problem doesn't extend to all tables of multi-level dungeons? I'm 99.9% certain we did NOT report the various levels of Emerald Spire as the base scenario (I can confirm when I can get with the VC), yet my GM credit for levels 2 and 3 are gone.

In other words, can you find any examples in the data where a GM (who hasn't gone back and fixed it) shows credit for more than one table of Emerald Spire?

1/5

Also, since we're talking data integrity, you should remove the character name field from the session table. It's a normalization violation, an integrity issue, and a waste of space.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

I'm missing the second level of Emerald Spire; event code 51468, although it changed the character who got the GM credit for the first level to the one who got it for the second level and changed the session to 2 from 1. I expect that means that I set up the event code wrong.

Grand Lodge 5/5

Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber

I have missing table count but based on this thread I will be seeing if I can self clean. (Also I didn't make a backup list to know what was affected - fortunately most of my reporting is done myself.)

If I have trouble self repairing I will come back here.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Rulebook, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

One other thing--search doesn't seem to be working on this thread.

Lantern Lodge 5/5 RPG Superstar 2015 Top 16 aka Black Powder Chocobo

How do you search for avatars? I have been unable to get an avatar for one of my profiles.

Scarab Sages 5/5

Aaron Motta wrote:
Cort Odekirk wrote:
We had some issues in the data where scenarios with multiple levels (Emerald Spires is a good example) were reported as the base scenario instead of as an individual level (the new system won't let you do that anymore). Since we don't allow credit for the same scenario twice, this meant the GM lost credit (players still received it fine). Since we didn't know which levels to assign those to, we set the migration to set any unidentified level to the 1st level for the scenario (no way to tell which level was intended). If you are loosing credit because you have multiple sessions set to the first level for a scenario, going back and setting the scenario to the correct level will restore your credit.

Cort:

Are you sure the problem doesn't extend to all tables of multi-level dungeons? I'm 99.9% certain we did NOT report the various levels of Emerald Spire as the base scenario (I can confirm when I can get with the VC), yet my GM credit for levels 2 and 3 are gone.

In other words, can you find any examples in the data where a GM (who hasn't gone back and fixed it) shows credit for more than one table of Emerald Spire?

There was a bug previously that removed all the Emerald Spire sections and replaced it with a Generic entry. That would be where they are getting the bas scenario entry from. I know that I am missing 2 Emerald Spire tables that were subject to that same bug. I've just got to find that info, but won't get home for quite a while to look it up.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 ⦵⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Indiana—Southern aka CanisDirus

New bug: Scenario #6-17 Fires of Karamoss does not appear to be available for selection on event creation/editing pages.

The Exchange 5/5

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

I am only missing three tables of credit, and two of those have been missing for a while.

In the change, the system seems to have FOUND (yay!) my runs of Master of the Fallen Fortress and Godsmouth Heresy, so that's awesome.

However, it lost one run of #00-02 The Hydra's Fang Incident from way back on May 31, 2013.

I am still missing two mystery credits. My complete list is two higher than show on the website. That being said, the website does list all the runs (excepting the aforementioned Hydra's Fang that it lost), but if you add them up, the number of LISTED tables doesn't match the number of table credits. It's weird, but I have counted them like eleven times.

I suspect that it is the two odd scenarios that I ran at GenCon last year that aren't being added to the mix, since everything else is pretty standard. I did two runs of Beginner Box Demos Part 2 (one on August 15th, and one August 16th). Does that particular run not count towards table count? If I take those two out of my math, it adds up to the 121 currently that appears on my GM/Event Coordinator tab.

Dark Archive 5/5

Missing 1 table.
blackros matrimony.
must be something special about that one as it appears to be a recurring theme.

1/5

noswald wrote:
There was a bug previously that removed all the Emerald Spire sections and replaced it with a Generic entry. That would be where they are getting the bas scenario entry from. I know that I am missing 2 Emerald Spire tables that were subject to that same bug. I've just got to find that info, but won't get home for quite a while to look it up.

Ah; I see. Cort specifying "multiple levels were reported as the base scenario instead of as an individual level" seemed to imply the issue was more isolated.

5/5

Also missing 2 runs of Blakros Matrimony. Leave it to Thursty to be the source of so much pain.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 ⦵⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Indiana—Southern aka CanisDirus

Just tracked down my missing tables too - sound familiar? Two tables of Blackros Matrimony, heh.

I can't find the sessions off-hand, but I found the dates:

12/31/2012
2/4/2013

---

Update, circa 10 minutes after initial post:

With the dates, I tracked down the events and took a look - neither had that scenario listed, so I re-enabled them, went to the session #, found that they had a blank for scenario reported - re-selected Blackros Matrimony, and saved. Currently, I am missing 0 tables.

My guess? Somehow that scenario got "disconnected" from events and just needs to be re-selected and applied to those tables. Hope this info helps!

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

2 people marked this as a favorite.
UndeadMitch wrote:
Also, I noticed that Wardens of the Reborn Forge has four parts in the reporting system. Is part four for reporting in Seeker Arc mode? If so, and if I GM in campign mode and take the bonus chronicle, should I report it?

I had a chat with a few folks about the 4th Wardens of the Reborn Forge entry in the reporting options, and we’ve decided to keep it as a reportable option; it grants GM table credit just like any other adventure, and it allows a slightly more accurate account of how many Prestige Points a character has earned. What’s more, if you’re a GM running such a high-level, multi-part adventure for Pathfinder Society Organized Play, I think you’ve earned a little something extra. Go ahead and report it.

Sovereign Court 5/5

1 person marked this as a favorite.
Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

We're supposed to go back through and track down what is missing for our GM credits from the database on our own? That doesn't seem right.

Lantern Lodge 5/5

One missing. Blakros Matrimony (of course).

The only thing I can safely say is that it's most assuredly not my fault. /Nigel Aldain

Silver Crusade 5/5

John Compton wrote:
UndeadMitch wrote:
Also, I noticed that Wardens of the Reborn Forge has four parts in the reporting system. Is part four for reporting in Seeker Arc mode? If so, and if I GM in campign mode and take the bonus chronicle, should I report it?
I had a chat with a few folks about the 4th Wardens of the Reborn Forge entry in the reporting options, and we’ve decided to keep it as a reportable option; it grants GM table credit just like any other adventure, and it allows a slightly more accurate account of how many Prestige Points a character has earned. What’s more, if you’re a GM running such a high-level, multi-part adventure for Pathfinder Society Organized Play, I think you’ve earned a little something extra. Go ahead and report it.

Thanks for the reply John!

5/5 Venture-Agent, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka Pirate Rob

Yup, missing Blackros Matrimony as well.

5/5 ⦵⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Germany—Rhein-Main aka GreyYeti

I am also missing Blackros Matrimony

51 to 100 of 231 << first < prev | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | next > last >>
Community / Forums / Organized Play / Pathfinder Society / Site Changes Coming Today! All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.