Steadfast Personality & Divine Protection.
SP provides an insight bonus to Will save = CHR mod against mind effect.
DP provides an untyped bonus to ALL saves = CHR mod.
Sounds a bit cheesey...but RAW.
Steadfast Personality alone is nice for Sorcerers. I'd never want to multiclass for 3 levels as a sorcerer to meet the Divine Protection requirement, and at least 50% of the Will saves I roll against are for mind-affecting effects.
If one is Insight and one is untyped they would stack.
If both are untyped they would not stack.
The first is correct; since they are separate types, they stack.
As for the second, it's debatable, if not outright shaky. It all boils down to what constitutes a source, and whether different feats constitute as different sources. (To me, they do, since each feat does something different from each other.)
Of course, if you're a Charisma-heavy character, like a Paladin, Bard, or Oracle, both feats are really powerful. But good luck finding a table that's willing to deal with the hax that ensues when a character has both.
If one is Insight and one is untyped they would stack.
If both are untyped they would not stack.
The first is correct; since they are separate types, they stack.
As for the second, it's debatable, if not outright shaky. It all boils down to what constitutes a source, and whether different feats constitute as different sources. (To me, they do, since each feat does something different from each other.)
Of course, if you're a Charisma-heavy character, like a Paladin, Bard, or Oracle, both feats are really powerful. But good luck finding a table that's willing to deal with the hax that ensues when a character has both.
It's actually not up for debate anymore. They released a FAQ a few months ago that says that if it's untyped source then the source basically changes to be the stat.
Bonus Types: Usually, a bonus has a type that indicates how the spell grants the bonus. The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don't generally stack. With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and racial bonuses, only the better bonus of a given type works (see Combining Magical Effects). The same principle applies to penalties—a character taking two or more penalties of the same type applies only the worst one, although most penalties have no type and thus always stack. Bonuses without a type always stack, unless they are from the same source.
I see no reason these two feats would not stack. Divine Protection's special clause doesn't even kick in since steadfast personality doesn't apply to all save throws, only will.
Of course your wisdom modifier still applies too so this could be a way to have a low wisdom high will character (stubborn as a mule and only half as wise!)
I would suggest the best argument against it working is would be the "Same effect different strengths" clause of stacking effects (same effect in that it is charisma to a save throw, different strengths in that it's only one save throw type instead of all save throws).
But that is a really big stretch since one actually has a bonus type and the other is untyped.
They stack no problem. insight and untyped are different types so they stack.
My character is a 17 charisma oracle, I was looking to ramp up my saves to make sure I don't get taken out by effects, so I can protect my teammates. I'll have an 18 by level 4. With Battlefield Clairity, I hope to be close to unassailable mentally.
I'm playing an Oracle with a 28 CHA right now, and I can tell you that your GM will hate you for having both feats; I'm rocking a +30 on Will saves against Mind-Affecting Effects, and I'm only 11th lvl. :)
It's actually not up for debate anymore. They released a FAQ a few months ago that says that if it's untyped source then the source basically changes to be the stat.If one is Insight and one is untyped they would stack.
If both are untyped they would not stack.
The first is correct; since they are separate types, they stack.
As for the second, it's debatable, if not outright shaky. It all boils down to what constitutes a source, and whether different feats constitute as different sources. (To me, they do, since each feat does something different from each other.)
Of course, if you're a Charisma-heavy character, like a Paladin, Bard, or Oracle, both feats are really powerful. But good luck finding a table that's willing to deal with the hax that ensues when a character has both.
I presume you mean this. It doesn't really specify the sources, more that untyped bonuses scaling from an attribute count as an attribute bonus (Strength, Charisma, Intelligence, etc).
But I suppose it answers the question I posed, although not in the manner that I asked, since it appears the FAQ makes the source (as far as attributes are concerned) irrelevant.
You're correct. Someone official said if you treated it as a type for untyped bonuses that you get the proper effect. But as actually worded it does that effect but is worded to not make them need to change any text in any book.