Your "Real" Alignment

[LazarX]

Hama wrote:

Or, just it is that evil people don't think they're evil.

Only if four color comics do people spend time in front of mirrors twirling moustaches boasting on how evil they were.

Adolf Hitler, for example, considered himself a hero to his people, and for a decent amount of time, was surrounded by a nation full of people who agreed with him. His admirers abroad, included the King of England, Edward the VII, Errol Flynn, and Charles Lindbergh.

Jim Jones, the instigator of the mass murder/suicide in Guyana thought he was the next Prophet leading mankind to salvation.

The answer is we are, each of us ALL of those alignments at one point or another. We are all creatures driven by a complex, and frequently self-contradictory set of drives. Which of them become ascendant for how long at any given time, is through a process that we are only beginning to understand on a scientific basis.

[DM Under The Bridge]

A lot of people want to think they are good, they conveniently forget when they were not so good to others, such as laughing at and mocking contrary opinions and different stances. Which brings up questions of can a bully be good? What about a bully with a good cause? Will they consider the greatness of the cause as making them LG, or will they instead claim to be NG and pure good? If they think with certainty they are pure good, then they don't have to complicate this picture with reality or the past.

Now in gameplay within the D&D alignment system, you can get away with causing a bit of pain and violently striving against others so as to secure victory, so a bit of collateral for the greater good can be excused. I think we are much more grey though, neutral, and probably more than a touch deluded about who we are if we think we are really good, or *shudder* pure good. I wouldn't trust anyone that thought they were pure good (the neutral eyes you suspiciously).

Barcas' observation is my favourite part of this thread so far.

[Scythia]

LazarX has often struck me as Lawful Neutral. He's structured, and doesn't mollycoddle anybody when he posts, just expresses his views.

I'm a split personality.

I'm Chaotic Good most times, when I post silly or irreverent things, or try to use silliness to encourage people to examine ideas critically.

When I get serious though, or at least take an argument too seriously, I'm Lawful Evil. I want to show how right I am and how wrong they are, and I'm willing to utilize manipulation to do it.

Fortunately, I don't take much seriously. :P

[DM Under The Bridge]

Lawful Evil Scythia implements slavery.

It could be worse...

[DM Under The Bridge]

LazarX wrote:

Hama wrote:

Or, just it is that evil people don't think they're evil.

Only if four color comics do people spend time in front of mirrors twirling moustaches boasting on how evil they were.

Adolf Hitler, for example, considered himself a hero to his people, and for a decent amount of time, was surrounded by a nation full of people who agreed with him. His admirers abroad, included the King of England, Edward the VII, Errol Flynn, and Charles Lindbergh.

Jim Jones, the instigator of the mass murder/suicide in Guyana thought he was the next Prophet leading mankind to salvation.

The answer is we are, each of us ALL of those alignments at one point or another. We are all creatures driven by a complex, and frequently self-contradictory set of drives. Which of them become ascendant for how long at any given time, is through a process that we are only beginning to understand on a scientific basis.

Prophets are notorious for being criminals on a massive scale, able to find justifications for what evils they have done and plan to do. They are clearly not bound by social norms or conventions (hence why they can speak out, spread radical ideas and propose treason so often). I was amused by a historian that frankly got into the large-scale treason of a certain prophet - of course the prophet thought they were following God's will. Even and including when perversions and the wife of another was indulged in (not only and just that one single event of course).

Ironic amusing humans eh.

[SilvercatMoonpaw]

I don't really know any posters so I can't guess their alignment.

My guess of my own is Lawful Neutral. Deep down I like things to be right/correct regardless of whether it's good for people. Definitely shading into Lawful Evil when my blood sugar is low (which happens regularly) and then I want everyone to suffer because some of the species is making mistakes and the rest isn't bludgeoning them to death for it. (Or that could just be extreme Lawfulness of the type seen in Inevitables.)

[LazarX]

DM Under The Bridge wrote:

LazarX wrote:

Hama wrote:

Or, just it is that evil people don't think they're evil.

Only if four color comics do people spend time in front of mirrors twirling moustaches boasting on how evil they were.

Adolf Hitler, for example, considered himself a hero to his people, and for a decent amount of time, was surrounded by a nation full of people who agreed with him. His admirers abroad, included the King of England, Edward the VII, Errol Flynn, and Charles Lindbergh.

Jim Jones, the instigator of the mass murder/suicide in Guyana thought he was the next Prophet leading mankind to salvation.

The answer is we are, each of us ALL of those alignments at one point or another. We are all creatures driven by a complex, and frequently self-contradictory set of drives. Which of them become ascendant for how long at any given time, is through a process that we are only beginning to understand on a scientific basis.

Prophets are notorious for being criminals on a massive scale, able to find justifications for what evils they have done and plan to do. They are clearly not bound by social norms or conventions (hence why they can speak out, spread radical ideas and propose treason so often). I was amused by a historian that frankly got into the large-scale treason of a certain prophet - of course the prophet thought they were following God's will. Even and including when perversions and the wife of another was indulged in (not only and just that one single event of course).

Ironic amusing humans eh.

Anyone who steps outside the norms tends to be regarded as a criminal. J. Edgar Hoover considered Martin Luther King Jr. to be a criminal of the worst order, and devoted much of of the FBI's resources to look for ways to bring him down. Malcom X in his own words WAS a criminal, (interesting fun fact... one of his cohorts from his criminal day, Big Red was known to most of us as Redd Fox of "Sanford and Sons" fame.) But the story of Malcom X is far far more complex than that.

Alignment is a game mechanic. Using it for any other purpose, especially in trying to view real life is like purposely putting blinders on oneself.

[thegreenteagamer]

Or you could just let loose, try to have fun, and play along.

Obviously nobody always falls in their entirety to one particular alignment or another. This thread was just meant for fun, not to present the idea that alignment is absolute or even real. It's a hypothetical positioning.

Geeze, why does everything have to be so absolute and deep with some people?

[LazarX]

thegreenteagamer wrote:

Or you could just let loose, try to have fun, and play along.

Obviously nobody always falls in their entirety to one particular alignment or another. This thread was just meant for fun, not to present the idea that alignment is absolute or even real. It's a hypothetical positioning.

Geeze, why does everything have to be so absolute and deep with some people?

When you start asking personal questions about people, we've left the proper boundaries of gaming behind.

[Quark Blast]

thegreenteagamer wrote:

Or you could just let loose, try to have fun, and play along.

Obviously nobody always falls in their entirety to one particular alignment or another. This thread was just meant for fun, not to present the idea that alignment is absolute or even real. It's a hypothetical positioning.

Geeze, why does everything have to be so absolute and deep with some people?

Because he's LN with a touch of that human psychological variance that cannot but help to stringently point out badwrongfun when he sees it.

:p

[captain yesterday]

thegreenteagamer wrote:

Or you could just let loose, try to have fun, and play along.

Obviously nobody always falls in their entirety to one particular alignment or another. This thread was just meant for fun, not to present the idea that alignment is absolute or even real. It's a hypothetical positioning.

Geeze, why does everything have to be so absolute and deep with some people?

Well since we're cutting loose and having fun i'm a cartoonishly Neutral Evil, like the Judge from Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

shoot whats his name?...... Brad Pitt!! thats it!.... or was that Legends of the Fall?
Oh well, pretty much the same movie anyway....

[Admiral Day-Before-Yesterday]

I'm not going touch let this thread die, dang it! I'm interested in knowing all of your alignments!

The good Captain is obviously Chaotic Neutral, and not just because he has no respect for the chain of command. He just seems silly, random, and all around about Freedom.

Now drop and give me your own interpretation, sailor, so we can get this ship moving again!

[Deadmanwalking]

Well clearly, the good Admiral is CN (given his use of neromancy). More seriously, the poster-behind-the-alias is indeed probably CG (as discussed earlier).

As for me, I'm probably NG, though an argument could be made for CG. I'm clearly Good because I try to help people whenever possible, and remain polite and friendly as much as possible at all times (both on the internet and in real life), and one of my major life goals is to make the world a better place (my other is to have fun, just for the record). I also haven't done anything bad to speak of in my life, at least not that I can think of.

I'm debatably Chaotic from the standpoint of principle, since I'm a fairly dedicated libertarian politically and am philosophically devoted to the ideal of freedom, but frankly...I just don't do much that's legitimately Chaotic in my day to day life, and am indeed something of a creature of habit. Heck, I don't even drink and have a fairly set schedule even for my leisure activities. I think that evens out to Neutral on the Law/Chaos axis, albeit with some definite Chaotic leanings.

What's everyone else think?

[Haladir]

I think it's pretty clear that I'm Lawful Good.

I think that applies both to my board persona and the real-life me.

[thegreenteagamer]

Haladir wrote:

I think it's pretty clear that I'm Lawful Good.

I think that applies both to my board persona and the real-life me.

You forgot to talk about the zombie above you, Hal. That's part of the game. :-P

You broke the clearly defined rules. Are you sure that you're lawful?

[captain yesterday]

Not very chaotic of you jollygreengamer :-)

Now back to my kickstarter for kidnapping Carrot Top so world peace might finally be attained (but at what cost!?!)

[thegreenteagamer]

captain yesterday wrote:

Not very chaotic of you jollygreengamer :-)

Now back to my kickstarter for kidnapping Carrot Top so world peace might finally be attained (but at what cost!?!)

No, but it's pretty damn funny.

EDIT - Also, at times, I find myself leaning towards NG, so I randomly break a lot of rules to keep my alignment where it belongs. Have you noticed I've been derailing other threads more, Cap? That's intentional. Sort of. Sometimes they're just in boring tangents. Like does the Cheese thread really need more Caster Martial disparity? I don't think any thread needs more of that. If I derail that it's for the greater good.

See how I went on a tangent and broke the rules?

CHAOTIC YET AGAIN!

[Yuugasa]

thegreenteagamer seems pretty LG to me, he is polite and respectful and he loves tea!

Myself? Prolly somewhere between N and NG, I treat the people in my life well.

[captain yesterday]

I'd say NG is a good fit for you, tho I doubt if Greenpeacegundam is LG, he's obviously LN, what with his need to play by the rules:-p

[thegreenteagamer]

Yuugasa wrote:

thegreenteagamer seems pretty LG to me, he is polite and respectful and he loves tea!

Myself? Prolly somewhere between N and NG, I treat the people in my life well.

Lawful? LAWFUL?!?

Them's fighting words! YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!

whispered:

aw, thanks that was nice. Seriously, though, I have a rep to keep up as the rebel good guy.

How does it keep coming back to me?

Well, you do keep posting and the rules say...

But I've got more stuff to interject! They can look up one post, right?

Shut up. You love the attention, you arrogant bastard.

Dangit, you're right. You know me so well...

[thegreenteagamer]

captain yesterday wrote:

I'd say NG is a good fit for you, tho I doubt if Greenpeacegundam is LG, he's obviously LN, what with his need to play by the rules:-p

Oh. The admiral will be stalking you in all your posts now. Like an overrated song by the Police. It's on!

[captain yesterday]

thegreenteagamer wrote:

captain yesterday wrote:

I'd say NG is a good fit for you, tho I doubt if Greenpeacegundam is LG, he's obviously LN, what with his need to play by the rules:-p

Oh. The admiral will be stalking you in all your posts now. Like an overrated song by the Police. It's on!

good luck with that :-)

I'm a stay at home dad, I'm everywhere:-p

Edit: seriously though it is fun to joke around, as you know too many people take things too seriously sometimes around here :-)

[thegreenteagamer]

captain yesterday wrote:

thegreenteagamer wrote:

captain yesterday wrote:

I'd say NG is a good fit for you, tho I doubt if Greenpeacegundam is LG, he's obviously LN, what with his need to play by the rules:-p

Oh. The admiral will be stalking you in all your posts now. Like an overrated song by the Police. It's on!

good luck with that :-)

I'm a stay at home dad, I'm everywhere:-p

Edit: seriously though it is fun to joke around, as you know too many people take things too seriously sometimes around here :-)

No worries, mate. If I make a parody alias for you, you're alright by me. You (Admiral The-Day-Before-Yesterday), Tacticslion (Strategytiger), and Mythic Evil Lincoln (Mythic CN John Wilkes Booth) have all earned one.

Soon I shall debut QuadAlphaOne... I am just waiting for the right moment for TOZ to leave himself open. The man guards himself well...

If anyone reading this is like, "WTF?" and still wants to play the game...which you should, because it's awesome...Yuugasa thinks he is N or NG, and before that Haladir thought he was LG, and Deadmanwalking a variant of chaotic. None of them have been analyzed by their peers. Enjoy getting back on track!

[Zova Lex]

Huh. I took the alignment test again recently and as it turns out that I shifted out of Lawful Evil into Neutral Evil. Excellent.

[theblackcoffeegamer]

thegreenteagamer wrote:

No worries, mate. If I make a parody alias for you, you're alright by me. You (Admiral The-Day-Before-Yesterday), Tacticslion (Strategytiger), and Mythic Evil Lincoln (Mythic CN John Wilkes Booth) have all earned one.

You obviously use an inferior form of caffeine!

[thegreenteagamer]

theblackcoffeegamer wrote:

You obviously use an inferior form of caffeine!

You count as a minion! Go register with theblackteagamer over in the Pathfinder Forum Memes thread.

[Thegreenrangergamer]

ah Ha! come on guys we're not going to win by fighting against each other ah ha! we cane only win by forming MEGA GAMING ZORD!!ah Ha!

or you know some other Power Ranger cliche, gimme a break, it's been twenty years and 29 iterations :-)

[thegreenteagamer]

You all keep joking, I keep racking up my minion count. You may not be obedient, but that's just part of our chaotic nature.

Well, if you want to be on point you're going to need a different set of actors for when you're in the suit, and racism subtexts where the yellow version is Asian and the black one black, because obviously. If the red ranger had been Native American I don't think anyone would've been surprised, but since it was Hollywood (of a sort) you can never go wrong with more white people in their mind. Ah, the 90s.

Again, register at the other thread. You two are auxiliary and don't get shirts, because you didn't remember the tea theme.

Get with it Ranger, at least blackcoffee stuck with a caffeinated beverage.

[Thegreenrangergamer]

I'm making this one the rebellious ranger that always goes off alone, I know that's usually red, but I don't play by the rules :-)

Also I don't know Tea so I'm going with green a lot more to work with, it will get pretty ridiculous however, tho know I have an idea for a caffeinated beverage one....

[thegreenteagamer]

Thegreenrangergamer wrote:

I'm making this one the rebellious ranger that always goes off alone, I know that's usually red, but I don't play by the rules :-)

Also I don't know Tea so I'm going with green a lot more to work with, it will get pretty ridiculous however, tho know I have an idea for a caffeinated beverage one....

theredbullgamer?

Also you broke format - your first T is capitalized. :-P

[SweetTeaGamer]

theblackcoffeegamer wrote:

thegreenteagamer wrote:

No worries, mate. If I make a parody alias for you, you're alright by me. You (Admiral The-Day-Before-Yesterday), Tacticslion (Strategytiger), and Mythic Evil Lincoln (Mythic CN John Wilkes Booth) have all earned one.

You obviously use an inferior form of caffeine!

I weep for your failure to understand Truth. And your name. Blech.

EDIT: Incidentally, ^ that guy is chaotic good.
You all think...
This guy tends toward lawful. BAM. Topic. Accomplished.

[HenshinFanatic]

Neutral, with leanings towards both Law and Good. Mostly because I like to consider myself a fairly decent guy, but it's easy to be nice to people when they're nice to you. That and I'm of the opinion that the war on drugs failed because they never went to far enough lengths along with only targeting the vulnerable rather than the actual cause i.e. the cartels. Oh, and one of my personal heroes is Vlad III a.k.a. Vlad the Impaler. Other sources of inspiration include King Solomon, Jesus of Nazareth, St. Francis of Assisi, Nicolaus Copernicus, Albert Einstein, and Nikola Tesla.

My posts lead you to believe I'm...

[EntrerisShadow]

Henshin, I'd peg Lawful based on the posts I've read. You recognize corruption, but ultimately still seem to have faith in institutions. Good is a lot harder to quantify - and personally, I'm of the opinion that maybe 1% of the world, if that, ever achieves it. I'll let someone else make the moral call.

I'd peg myself chaotic neutral. I believe, strongly, that power corrupts inevitably and absolutely. Anything done to those in institutions of power - whether that be government, the church, multinational corporations, world superpowers - is almost always justified. The only good that can actually be done is constantly tearing them down and replacing them with something slightly better. The only kind of authority I trust is scientific - specifically because its basis is skepticism and tearing down old knowledge for new. I'm confrontational about the status quo - here and my personal life. And it's oddly gotten much worse, not calmer, with age. If you are really desperate for an argument, please mention the words "thug" or "traditional marriage" in my general vicinity. Is it annoying? I'm sure it is. So are Chaotic Neutral characters. Perfect fit.

[Generic Villain]

Kthulhu wrote:

So I'm the only person who is willing to admit to evil?

Nope, I'm absolutely neutral evil. Nihilistic, amoral, little regard for the value of human life, and Machiavellian. I'm a classic INTJ, as per the Myers-Briggs personality test.

Hama wrote:

Or, just it is that evil people don't think they're evil.

Perhaps some, but not all. I chose the handle for a reason.

[Steve Geddes]

Generic Villain wrote:

Kthulhu wrote:

So I'm the only person who is willing to admit to evil?

Nope, I'm absolutely neutral evil. Nihilistic, amoral, little regard for the value of human life, and Machiavellian. I'm a classic INTJ, as per the Myers-Briggs personality test.

Hey, me too. I never thought about that as an alignment test...

[Generic Villain]

Steve Geddes wrote:

Hey, me too. I never thought about that as an alignment test...

Oh I didn't mean to conflate personality type with alignment. For example, an INTJ could be a starry-eyed idealist, putting his/her unique talents to work for the betterment of all people. Just as easily though, INTJ lends itself to cynicism, arrogance, and amorality.

I choose the latter because I think the former is wasted effort.

[Deadmanwalking]

Speaking as an INTJ, and while not precisely a starry-eyed idealist certainly not amoral or cynical (note that I make no mention of arrogance)...yeah, it's not really an alignment test.

[DM Under The Bridge]

SweetTeaGamer wrote:

theblackcoffeegamer wrote:

thegreenteagamer wrote:

No worries, mate. If I make a parody alias for you, you're alright by me. You (Admiral The-Day-Before-Yesterday), Tacticslion (Strategytiger), and Mythic Evil Lincoln (Mythic CN John Wilkes Booth) have all earned one.

You obviously use an inferior form of caffeine!

I weep for your failure to understand Truth. And your name. Blech.

EDIT: Incidentally, ^ that guy is chaotic good.
You all think...
This guy tends toward lawful. BAM. Topic. Accomplished.

You like tea, so I am sorry to announce you must be lawful, neutral or both.

Also you... *sighs* *hands over sheet* have to play a monk.

[PathlessBeth]

SweetTea is close to Sweetpea, the producers of the bad D&D movie, hence SweetTeaGamer must be Evil!

[SweetTeaGamer]

137ben wrote:

SweetTea is close to Sweetpea, the producers of the bad D&D movie, hence SweetTeaGamer must be Evil!

*sips Lipton*

Yeah, sure, whatever.

That said, "theblackcoffeegamer" could be taken to reveal THE BLACKNESS OF THE HEART, hence, it is clear, that theblackcoffeegamer must also be Evil.

As has been established, however, SweetTeaGamer is lawful, whereas theblackcoffeegamer - and his aliases! - have failed to uphold the format twice now. COINCIDENCE?! I think not.

As they say, better the Devil you know (who will live up to their end of a deal, regardless), than the Demon who will, without warning, do terrible things to you with absolutely no warning whatsoever. Or Daemon who will feast on your soul. At least "we" give promotions.

While I do think of myself as lawful (aside: *quickly takes the monk character sheet, makes it a MoMS/MM-gestalt, giggles gleefully to self, and quickly writes "kraken throttle" under feats on the sheet before the inevitable errata can get through*), do to my posting, you think of me as...

[thegreenteagamer]

theblackcoffeegamer is from henceforth no longer a minion, but nemesis! He knows why. And since I'm clearly CG (tea does not make you lawful, is just makes you sophisticated, and sophistication is not in of itself grounds for lawfulness...correlation does not necessitate causation), then that bitter tasting betrayor is quite probably evil, either chaotic evil or neutral evil.

I think the Sweet Tea Gamer persona has a rebellious edge to him, unlike his actual self TL. His latest posts have a 90s grunge disinterest feel, at least in my tea thread. His disenfranchisement leads me to believe he's TL's NG side, jaded from years of trying to do right, but still holding to a core goodness and willingness to defend the persecuted in the face of overwhelming odds (see also - he stands up for Lipton, despite my repetitious bashing of it).

I don't know if anyone analyzed Deadmanwalking, but he seems a decent chap. NG, from what I've read (which sadly isn't much, but I'm trying to get to those who've been ignored).

137ben...you...you are the Betrayor. You were covered. Also, Morbo-style "I WILL DESTROY YOU!"

I can't say I've followed Generic Villain at all, but really, anyone who claims evilness is probably pretty evil. It takes a special kind of evil to be evil, know you're evil, admit to evilness and continue unrepentant in evil. That being said, honesty in the face of potential persecution tends towards lawfulness, so LE?

DM UTB, like many old school gamers, you seem methodical and meticulous. Lawful neutral with good leanings is how I pegged you based on previous reading of your posts. Admittedly we don't cross paths often, though, so that may be an incomplete analysis.

I'm getting too lazy to keep scrolling up and analyzing people. Someone else post here. Just skip me again. I've been hit like four times. I'm just keeping the thread going, and analyzing my minion...who is fast earning his way to an upgrade to "miniboss" or "lieutenant" or "cohort" or whatever.

[Pharasma, Lady of Graves]

I'm Neutral! If anyone has a problem with that, you know where to find me!

[kyrt-ryder]

Hovering somewhere along the axis of true-neutral to neutral-evil.

[The Alkenstarian]

Chaotic Neutral. I'd like to be good but I'm keenly aware that I fail at it all too often and I, shamefacedly, must admit I occasionally forray into slightly evil ... the diet coke of evil ... only one calorie ...

I suppose I'm well suited where I am.

[Vincent Takeda]

So what alignment is INTP then?

[LazarX]

thegreenteagamer wrote:

So I had an idea the other day for a thread - What's your "real" alignment? What do you think you are...and does it match up to others' perspective of you?

So here's my idea:
-----
"Your real alignment" -

Poster starts "IRL I think my alignment is X, because (give a reason or two)...but based on my posts on these forums, you think my alignment is:"

Next Poster - "Y, because (Cite an example or two from the previous poster's history)...IRL I think my alignment is..." and it repeats through as many posters as we can get.
------

I'll start - In real life, I think my alignment is Chaotic Good, because despite being generally curmudgeonly, I try to let my actions be upstanding and helpful to others, when I can at least, but I have a strong distrust of organized groups, even ones who's missions and goals are in line with my beliefs, and I have a penchant for randomness and an inability to organize that is maddening to my thoroughly Lawful-Good-with-a-capital-L wife.

...but based on my posts on this forum, you think my alignment is...

I prefer to think of myself as a bit more dimensional to be pegged down to 9 box table. Alignment was invented a s a wargaming mechanic to decide which figures could be grouped with which others in miniature wargaming. Chainmail added some roleplaying elements to it, and that has continued through it's successors, but it's still a simplistic insult to describe real people that way.

[captain yesterday]

Wouldn't it have been simpler to call him a Poopy head rather than make me get to the end of all those words... you might not have realized not a single person was being all that serious... Also I'm gonna go ahead and say you're LN... in account of thejollygreengamer having cooties...

[LazarX]

Pharasma, Lady of Graves wrote:

I'm Neutral! If anyone has a problem with that, you know where to find me!

You're a fictional character, by definition, you can't have a real alignment. :)

[captain yesterday]

For all we know we're all in a Turtle's dream as he floats thru outer space :-)

[LazarX]

captain yesterday wrote:

For all we know we're all in a Turtle's dream as he floats thru outer space :-)

If a turtle is lying on it's back in outer space, can it rotate itself up?